Why Zebras Dont Get Ulcers

hotspring's picture

Hello all

It has been awhile since posting. I am now in the midst of preparing for my board exams.

I did cut the thread with Hydrostud. It has been two weeks since my last orgasm with him. We remain friends - I continue to get excellent healthcare from him in exchange for web design. The night after I broke up with him I had a dream that I was looking deeply into the iris of his right eye, and the pupil constricted in anger at me (he also does iridology - a form of diagnosis based off of iris patterning -so the imagery is apt). I wanted to look into his left eye but it was shadowed and I was unable to see it. Quite metaphorical. Each time I have seen him I have been immensely relieved that it is over. He can be very disdainful of others. Can't believe I spent almost three months with him, tho I did learn some things.

My exboyfriend and I have still been spending time together (this is the one I was with over six years ago who is still pursuing me). Luckily we have not descended into orgasmic sex or sex of any kind, tho we have slept in the same bed and cuddled a bit. He has a heart of gold. There's the strange phenomenon of being turned off by how willing and overly-available he is. Maybe he doesn't trigger my anticipatory dopamine craving pathways, because he has laid himself out before me so openly and willingly? Maybe I am afraid of truly loving and being loved? Maybe I am still hungover from orgasms in the past relationship? (I felt really irritable with him the other night). Maybe I just need some time on my own? Afraid of commitment? Etc etc. Yes, probably all of these. I find I get really stingy about having time to myself and when I dont get it I am resentful of anyone who makes demands on my time. I have also noticed that his smell turns me off. This is a red flag for my reproductive brain, which wants to know that the man I choose is in the peak of health.

In the midst of this I have met a really sexy man (a best friend of a doctor I work with), who is visiting from Idaho and who has a PhD from Cornell and runs an NGO geared towards reviving biodiversity loss from invasive species. He's a globe-trotter for sure, travelling frequently to consult with government agencies in countries all across the world. So there's the status thing there, and the attraction, and the unavailability of it all, which is always enticing. We have not yet created or enforced an orgasmic association with eachother.

I have a feeling this man might be a distraction. No I have a feeling ALL men are a distraction for me right now - I can use them like drugs to get a little boost but in the meantime I've been neglecting my spiritual practice, my true source of energy, rejuvenation, and joy.

But since I am at the two week mark I am hoping to remain orgasm free and I will keep all posted on that front. I plan on really exploring this with someone, tho I know many of you may not believe me based off last posts.

I also wanted to bring up some research I have come across that you may or may not be farmiliar with, Marnia. I haven't had time to read it in depth, only skim over it, but it looks very fitting to what is being explored in this site. The book is by Robert Sapolsky and is called Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers. There are whole chapters on addiction and stress and sex. He keeps mentioning gluccocorticoids in relation to dopamine. You might want to look into it - or maybe illuminate for us what gluccocorticoids are? Or I will try to summarize what I learn from him if and when I can make the time to read his book in depth and take some notes.

Good luck on all your journeys.

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I believe you

...and it is nice to hear from you. Good luck with you exams. Smiling

Lancer's picture

Hey Hotspring, I know you

Hey Hotspring,

I know you were considering this point and not sure to do with it, but have you considered trying a Courtly Companion again? It to me sounds like you need a relationship with a guy which sex is not an issue, and it may really help in your spiritual search.

Good luck. I hope you find the spiritual place you are looking for.

Marnia's picture

I've missed you

Thanks for the book tip..as always. I'll have a look, and I've asked Gary to brief us on gluccocorticoids. Eye-wink

richardsnewsong's picture

Woody Allen once mused

that sex without love is such an empty experience but as empty experiences go, it is one of the best!

So yes, I can believe that all men are distractions but you gotta admit, as distractions go, we never cease to amuse, bewilder and provide pause to reflect.

I remember a previous post from you on Hydrostud and I was not feeling a peace about your relationship with him - your feelings of immense relief seem to confirm my instincts but more importantly, they point out your gift of inner guidance to journal your thoughts and feelings until you find the courage of your convictions to take action - well done! And that dream - wow! I would not attempt to interpret that for you but it is obviously rich, pregnant with meaning for your experience with him.

As for your ex-boyfriend - he can join my support group for overly-available nice guys with hearts of gold any time! Have mercy on us guys and our odors - we may not have the hygenic skills that we should and can always use some grooming tips from those we get up close and personal with, assuming our fragile egos can handle your best, tactful approach. Thanks for your candid honesty in sharing - it's refreshing and greatly appreciated.

Sounds like this really sexy man in your life has all your buttons pushed - how delicious! We all need a little boost now and then and you are astute enough to recognize it for what it is while longing to return to your spiritual core. I trust you will find that path back to your spiritual practice, giving you clarity and balance for all the delightful male distractions likely to cross your bow in the days ahead.

Best wishes for your board exams and thanks for the book reference as you have picqued our collective curiousity on Zebras and gluccocorticoids both.

I am almost 2 weeks without orgasm and your sharing is an encouragement as we all purpose to navigate these uncharted waters. One of these days, I'm gonna post about my journey - honest! I had a flood of journaling last week and then lost my focus in Spring Break madness with my 3 kids all home from college.

Thanks for the chance to post regarding your insightful sharing and I will look forward to hear how things are working out.

Richard

hotspring's picture

Body Odor

Thanks for the reply. To clarify about the body odor: I'm not a finnicky female who can't stand a good healthy sweaty man. There are men I've been with whose armpits I would happily snuggle up to (I find armpits very sexy, something I seem to have inherited from both my parents).

BUT, the smell that my exboyfriend now has is very strange, and not what he smelled like before. It doesn't just smell like normal sweat, its more like a combination of sweat, mold, and Tide detergent. Its not that he doesn't bathe. It's some weird combination of chemical reactions I've never encountered before. And I notice it not only when I am close to him.

Anyway, he is wonderful, but there are other issues (tho none of them are as off putting as - say - porn addiction). Because he learned English from me, he has a tendency to associate me as being someone who has all the answers and who is readily available to decipher all American mysteries to him, have endless patience, and repeat something I say two times or more until he understands it, even when I get the sense he is not listening the first time around. Or I am not enunciating clearly enough? This was fine when he literally didn't speak English. I've gone through the process of learning another language myself, so know what it's like. But he has been here for almost nine years and at this point his English is very good. Still he seems to have this association with me that I am there to explain everything to him. He is not by any means stupid but it comes across this way. Just an old pattern, but it drives me nuts.

Marnia's picture

Hmmm...

I think you've never used birth control pills, right? They seem to mask women's ability to pick up the scent of their mates (very important for compatibility because we're designed to go for a potential father whose immune system is very diverse from ours). Then when women come off of the pills they sometimes find they don't like their mate's smell. At least that's the theory. Maybe it's actually a question of relationship-fatigue that creates the wrinkled noses. Some kind of weird pheromonal message, like bulls and cows give each other after the bull has "done" them.

hotspring's picture

Here's an interesting study

Here's an interesting study that clearly indicates that strippers who are not on the pill receive top tips during ovulation as compared to their pill-popping colleagues and that being on the pill is not a financially wise choice as a stripper (or for any other female, unless you're trying hard not to attract men): http://scienceblogs.com/shiftingbaselines/2008/03/subtle_shifts_and_sex....

The following are notes from

The following are notes from my A&P lecture

Glucocorticoids are a group of very similar steroid hormones released from the adrenal cortex. Cortisol is the main glucocorticoid and the one necessary for life. Regulation of cortisol is under the control of the limbic system. Cortisol regulates many aspects of metabolism, along with resistance to stress. It's functions are immensely complex and still poorly understood in its effects.
Target: All cells
Control: HYPOTHALAMUS

EFFECTS: Necessary for life and normal cell function (need it to utilize fats and glucose) but much is to be learned
1)Raises blood levels of: Glucose, Fatty Acids, Amino Acids.
a) Helps control concentrations of blood glucose (gluco in glucocorticoid).
b) Increase conversion of amino acids and fatty acids to glucose
c) It is involved in regulating blood glucose levels in time of starvation and adjusting what our cells use for energy in times of stress.

2) Breakdown of body proteins (catabolism): so important organs have access to vital nutrients. (skeletal muscle, and all connective tissues)

3)Have potent anti-inflammatory and immunosuppressive properties
a) But will also inhibit tissue repair- long term!
b) May be necessary to turn off immune cells after infection is eliminated?

4)Decrease the effects of physical or emotional stress- how?
a)To increase blood levels of glucose and other nutrients (from body proteins) for vital organs?
By increasing blood pressure and blood glucose; and maybe shuttling building blocks to vital organs? Evolutionary = In starvation to keep heart, brain, liver, kidney alive and well?
b) Affect behavior- surge of energy, short term drive
c) THE UNKNOWN

5)Necessary for normal growth.

6)In addition to their physiologic importance, glucocorticoids are also among the most frequently used drugs, and often prescribed for their anti-inflammatory and immunosuppressive properties (hydrocortisone, prednisone)

Long Term Stress- NEGATIVE EFFECTS Include (largely related to EXCESS cortisol over long time):
1) Lower resistance to infectious disease, autoimmune disorders, allergies
2) Decrease tissue repair (ulcers, leaky gut, arthritis, joint problems, muscle catabolism)
3) Increase Blood Pressure
4) Possible electrolyte imbalance (loss of potassium)
5) Mental changes- Depression and anxiety
6) Fat redistribution and obesity
7) Poor sleep (cortisol too high at night)
8) Promote changes in cardiovascular, neural, and gastrointestinal function
9) Osteoporosis, arthritis and other connective tissue problems
10) Note- That the levels of cortisol affect the functioning, AND the levels of other hormones, which leads to maybe just about any pathology??

High levels eventually may lead low levels of cortisol - due to adrenal exhaustion - which leads to any number of problems (fibromyalgia, CFS, IBS, depression, addiction, PTSD) including, death.

Bodywork lowers levels of cortisol- you are retraining your clients nervous and endocrine systems

hotspring's picture

Speaking of Glucocorticoids:

Read this today:

Why Loneliness Is Bad for You
by Samir S. Patel for Discover

Feeling lonely can make you sick. Doctors have long known that loneliness is associated with cardiovascular problems, viral infections, and higher mortality. What they didn’t know is how this feeling begets illness. A study in the September issue of the online journal Genome Biology suggests that loneliness actually affects the very core of our bodies—our genes.

In a small population of patients, researchers surveyed more than 20,000 genes using DNA microarrays to compare how the genes of lonely and nonlonely individuals express themselves in molecular processes and, ultimately, in personal health. They found that gene expression is different at 209 sites in chronically lonely people and that many of those changes fit a pattern of elevated immune activation, inflammation, and depressed response to infection. “We now have a molecular framework for understanding the relationship between social experience and physical health,” explains the study’s lead author, Steve Cole of UCLA.

The study found that loneliness desensitizes the glucocorticoid receptors, cutting off the immune control and anti-inflammatory effects of cortisol, a stress-related hormone that also helps regulate the conversion of carbohydrates to energy. The depressed cortisol response concurs with the known effects of loneliness and provides a potential target for treatment.

This study—the first to link feelings with genomewide changes—is “in some sense groundbreaking,” says Emma Adam, an associate professor of human development and social policy at Northwestern University. “It fills in the black box.”

According to John Cacioppo, an author of the study and a psychologist from the University of Chicago, the work suggests that loneliness is a warning sign, much like physical pain. “This very process of feeling bad because of disconnection contributes to what it means to be human,” he says. “It makes us care for other people and want to reconnect when we’re disconnected.”

Marnia's picture

Thanks so much for posting this

If the human race really understood how much it needs genuine interaction, it would never settle for virtual junk food again. Smiling

Marnia's picture

Personally,

that was just a tad more than I wanted to know. Smiling

hotspring's picture

Thanks Gary and Marnia

Interesting info, especially the link between glucocorticoids and stress, as there seems to be some link between addictive behavior and stress. I'm reading more in this book now (procrastinating on studying) and will give a report as to what this guy sees as the link between these steroid hormones (which apparently used to be considered factors but have now graduated to the level of steroids) and addictive behavior.

Oh, and Marnia I was on the pill once for a total of six months and was a total basket-case (NEVER again). I felt like there was a weird bubble or film covering me from being in touch with my basic eroticism. I was not on the pill when I first met my exboyfriend though, so my attraction to him happened without interference from the pill. He is very genetically diverse from me (Czech). I think my aversion doesn't have to do with sniffing out genetic diversity so much as the off smell being a signal of disease to me.

I usually dislike it when men wear deodorant and mask their smell. Mmmm, just thinking of their smells makes me want to forego meditation today and get outside and flirt!

richardsnewsong's picture

It's a Zebra's Life!

Perhaps like you Marnia, I was much more interested in and anticipating Gary's explanation about Zebra's and ulcers!

Without the benefit of the book to reference, I'm tempted to predicate my comments by suggesting that some of my best friends are Zebras but still have unresolved childhood trauma from reading Pinocchio! (kidding!)

Failing that, it's easy to suggest that sex is an effective stress reducer and once again, we are left to speculate about the complex interactions that result from surges of dopamine and cortisol. I do believe that the body excretes cortisol in response to stress - and that fits nicely with my predilection for an "orgasm nightcap" in response to my insomnia (see negative effects above - cortisol too high at night). Two weeks into orgasmic celebacy, guess what, I am sleeping just fine!

More and more, I am less inclined to see my beloved orgasm as the wonderful stress relieving elixir as I once did, given the other consequences so carefully documented here on this site.

All kidding aside, thanks Gary for some excellent research! This last year, I endured mega-doses of dexamethasone, a prednasone (cortisol) analog as part of my cancer treatments. It was in many ways, the worse part of my chemotherapy experience last year due to the negative side effects you referenced.

If nothing else, I am pleased to have another validation for my use of bodywork in my desire to find natural healing experiences to enhance my ongoing healing.

Richard

Marnia's picture

Gary's got no time for zebras

until the basketball finals are over. *chuckle* Besides, we've just ordered the book.

richardsnewsong's picture

The Nose Knows!

I would ordinarily celebrate your desire to get out and flirt but woe be unto me if I encourage you to procrastinate any more on your studying.

Your sharing of the other issues with your ex-bf certainly helps to put things in perspective and this is clearly more than an issue pertaining to just BO.

I can imagine the odor is triggering/reinforcing the other issues in the relationship, leaving you on edge, understandably. I can sense you desire a relationship of equals and it does not appear that things have evolved with this guy in that way.

Very interested in your report back on the book...when time permits.

Richard

WilliamC's picture

Armpits

Actually I love the smell of a woman's armpits- it is a real turn on. I once had a lover who was an avid runner. I really enjoyed licking her sweaty body, particularly her neck and armpits; after she came back from a hard run. Did I really need to tell y'all that??

Happy Saturday everybody!

WC

hotspring's picture

Absolutely you needed to

Absolutely you needed to tell us that. A man who loves a real smelling woman can be hard to find . . . or a woman who can handle having smells may be hard to find.

richardsnewsong's picture

True Confessions

are good for the soul William. Thanks for putting a big smile on my face and thank you hotspring for embracing such honest sharing.

Male/female relations are taking great strides in this community, right before our eyes!

Richard

Marnia's picture

Maybe someday

we'll all have scratch-'n'-sniff monitors!