Where do I even start?

josef's picture

Its not that I haven't tried before. Its that now I am out of ideas. I'm not looking for anything revolutionary just a little push in the right direction. I have to say I'm not big on the whole sex with out ejaculation thing. I don't knock it. I 'm just not ready for that. I don't know what I am ready for, and thats what this is about.
I can't stop, and its not because of with drawl symptoms. I have never really had any of those symptoms. My problem is I just can stop. It feels good when I abstain. I feel better about myself, and more confident about life. I feel no pain, or discomfort execpt for strong desire to return to the addictive behavoir. But, it is nothing like the symptoms I have read about here. It's just a habbit my mind refuses to break. It doesn't punish me when I fight against it. It just takes control when its had enough of me.
Now, if I take away any source of porn I still masterbate habitually. But, that is when things get hairy. Once again no pain, or crazy symptoms. But, the obsession with porn turns into an incredible weight that just makes me what to go on a frenzed porn quest, or try to sleep all day because my mind is tired from the pressure. Its not painful. Its just an impulse that will not yeild.
Now I have reached a new level. I have found that I can masterbate for 3 to 4 hours straight with out ejaculating. Doesn't work the same for sex unfortunatly, but thats beside the point. I realized a long time ago that I was on a rollacoster. After orgasim I'll feel like I was too disgusted with sex to ever think of it again. Then there was the old guilt, and "why me god" song and dance. But, maybe an hour later I'd be back to my old mind set. I learned that the brain does this to regulate sex. Then I learned how to beat it. If I can hold off orgasim for long enough then that routine of the brain doesn't kick in. So now I find myself masterbating for 3 to 4 hours, cumming, and then being mentally, not physically, ready for more. I can't tell you witch is more annoying.
It would be nice if I could just stop. I'd get alot more books read. I've being try things like that to create habits that could possiblly take the place of some of the porn activty. This does not work. Nothing replaces the experince of the porn. Internet porn is like playing a video game that you are instantly good at, is always interesting, and each level is more exciting. God, that pisses me off. Its like my brain whats to be ingaged with out having to do any work. Its like watching TV. So, there is my real problem. My brain doesn't want to be improved with education, or stimulating exercises like math or even simple crafts. It wants to veg out while being excited at the same time, and porn convently full fills this desire.
And, like I said before, it just won't stop. It won't punish me, but it just won't stop. So, my friends, any idea where to start?

Marnia's picture

Welcome!

First, what a perfect description of the compulsion: "Internet porn is like playing a video game that you are instantly good at, is always interesting, and each level is more exciting." You nailed it.

Second, you *are* having symptoms, even though you don't recognize them. Fatigue, compulsion, disgust, and desensitization to other sources of fulfillment. Those aren't part of *you* dear Josef. Those are part of the addictive cycle.

Third, there *is* greater peace of mind once you work your way through the discomfort of withdrawal. Also, the other sources of pleasure in your life, like a sense of accomplishment from learning things, and meeting new people, will become more interesting once you stop self-medicating your withdrawal discomfort with that great medicine you've chosen. Eye-wink

In other words, although life looks barren without that compelling pastime, you'll see it differently on the other side.

Suggestions? I don't know. It doesn't sound like you're really *sure* you want to quit yet. You have to reach a point where you know you want to. Also, I don't think you *can* get over this without giving up ejaculation at least until your libido returns to your normal libido. At that point, you may be able to incorporate sex with orgasm in your life without slipping back into the full frenzy of addiction.

In any case, you are welcome to blog your thoughts. Here are instructions: http://www.reuniting.info/resources/bloggers People find that talking to those who understand *is* helpful. Also, I would be happy to share some material from my forthcoming book, which explains the cycle you're in, in more detail in case you would find it helpful.

Wishing you the very best,
Marnia

josef's picture

Please do.

I would be very interested in hearing some of the material from your book. I think you are right though. I don't really want to stop. I guess that is why I don't know where to start. The question I should be asking is how do I start wanting to start to recover? The answer is proablly wait until I have no other choice as is often the case with addicts. If that be it than so be it, but I'll still keep trying to get a head start. Thanks for you comment.

Discordia's picture

Wanting to quit

Hey Josef,

I recently gave up an addiction to nicotine that I'd been a slave to for over half my life. I know very well that porn addiction is in a class all by itself in the world of addictions, but I thought I'd share with you what worked for me. I struggled a great deal with *wanting* to quit, despite all evidence that I could eventually DIE from the addiction. What I did, though, was make a decision to simply become more conscious of the cravings, and the effects of smoking. I paid more attention to my thoughts that had become so habitual, I had long since noticed their existence. While in the act, I made sure I was aware of exactly what I was doing, and contemplated the consequences. Most importantly, though, I recognized regularly the negative effects of what was going on in my body and mind, the shortness of breath, the post-cigarette anxiety as my body absorbed the stimulants, and the general negative feeling of being controlled by a deadly substance.

This did not make quitting easy, but it definitely helped me to find my resolve, so that I could take the first step. We absolutely do not have to wait until we have no other choice. Perhaps the material in Marnia's new book will give you more insight into the real effects that your addiction is having on you, and you, too, will grow more averse to them. It's not necessarily about willpower, as many of the addicts here can testify to.

Good luck. Smiling

josef's picture

Thats good stuff

I have been thinking along those lines, but it helps to have some one confirm it. I will put this into practice. In fact I have found that just by being on this site, and engaging others in the forum that the addiction's hold weakends. So, your right, will power is not nessisarily the answer. I guess it is about the process of changing one's self from inside.

Marnia's picture

Guess that's true

for all of us.