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This from my notes last night when I woke up:
"Have found or made no time or space here to write, tho I have felt the need many times. Now it seems this strange dream will end this journal.
I had fallen asleep a little sad and confused after a conversation with Goldenheart about his energy - how I perceived the energy behind his touch as 'dwelling'. We talked about my aversion to his touch, muscle memeory, somatic association, the presence of the past, the inability to refresh, my useless need for security by way of measuring a man up to how he may perform in the future. Things I am reckoning with. Perhaps all ego stuff on my part, but present nonetheless. The conversation followed an attempt at one of the exchanges we had done aimed at rewiring mating behavior and replacing it with bonding behavior, which had ended in me describing to him verbally what kind of energy i liked. A ridiculous situation not terribly passionate the details of which I will kindly spare you.
When I fell asleep I had the following dream:
There was a woman I may have been living with, an older desperate woman (a reflection of how I view myself?). She looked like Ellen, an elegant, indipendent, and fiesty older lady and mother of two girls who used to live in Silver and now lives in Portland. In this dream, she was living in a house in the Southwest, an adobe house, and I was somehow living with her. She had a son as well. It seems she was sleeping with her son and also had other lovers.
I was lying in this house on my bed with Hydrostud, and he had an erotic urgency that I could see consuming him. He was wanting to sleep with me. Part of me wanted to because I was attracted to his intensity. While I was turned on, I knew I didin't want tot get latched into his energy either, so I ***** WARNING ***** EXPLICIT CONTENT TO FOLLOW **** IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE A LONELY MAN PRONE TO SLAVENLY TENDENCIES, LOOK DEEPLY WITHIN YOURSELF, GATHER STRENGTH, AND PROCEED, NOTHING WILL BE MUCH STRANGER THAN ANYTHING YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY ENCOUNTERED. TAKE HEART, KIND FRIEND, MAY THE FORCES BE WITH YOU ***** WARNING ****** FOR THOSE OF YOU STILL INTERESTED, THE FOLLOWING CONTENT, THOUGH SEXUAL IN NATURE, IS ACTUALLY FAIRLY DISTURBING AND MAY NOT GIVE YOU THE ENDING YOU HAD ANTICIPATED ****** gave him a handjob and he eventually came all over the place ( and other such details ). I flipped the bedspread over so that it would not be obvious to Goldenheart, tho I sensed that this was a futile gesture.
It then happened that Ellen was in her bedroom getting it on with someone. Hydrostud and I could hear the sounds and he eventually made his way over there. Ellen was a free-for-all. The energy coming from her bed was twisted and dark - it was not clear if she was being raped or enjoying herself. Sounds of seeming pleasure came from her mouth, but they were also sounds of demanding insatiability: she simply could not get enough. Hydrostud was happily servicing her. He then came to my bed, clearly still turned on and waiting his turn for another go. This whole time I had been thinking what a stud he was, what great stamina he had. My "groin" (I know there are sexier terms out there, but bear with me folks, i'm trying to make sure none of our princes get overly thrilled by the rather gruesome content of the events that were soon to follow. I resume . . . . ) was on fire and I was suspended on the cliff of an orgasm, even as part of me had no interest in the actual feeling behind any of it. I started to touch myself but then a voice very distinctly told me I could stop and I did (I don't recall it sounded at all like Marnia, perhaps it was a commanding and lucid Taoist sage's voice).
Another man came to Ellen and Hydrostud was watching the whole thing. He was amazed at the size of the man's "member."
Then a black man with dreadlocks showed up, the ultimate stud **** APOLOGIES IF ANYTHING APPEARS RACIST IN THE FOLLOWING DETAILS ****** He had power and finesse, and could play deep throbbing beats on his sound system. Perhaps he was her pimp? (I hadn't realized my subconscious was this cheezy or predictable, bear with me folks) It was clear, he was a man. After having sex with Ellen, he started playing some deep beats. Each beat was a lure to Hydrostud that this was his turn. A black tar started to ooze from the man. It kept pulling at Hydrostud and his desire for another turn.
I was standing there and telepathically told Hydrostud "No." I had some strength because I had overcome it myself. He then did an amazing thing. He managed to gather up all of his strength and sucked up the tar, which melted into a huge black ball, almost consuming him, which he then hurled away from himself with all his might (and he was a man, allright, you should have been there to see it, folks).
I then found myself wearing a dress of hide. I went to Ellen and her eyes were red and a little crazy, but still very green. I looked her square in the eye and said that I had something important to tell her. She was shy and still wild, for she knew what I knew about her, but I looked at her with no judgement at all.
Then she smiled and pointed at my dress and she said, 'Did yo know your dress is made of raindeer hide?' I looked down at the dress and saw that it still had fur on it, which had been left in places, near the collar mostly, in an elegant design.
I coudl see each hair vibrating delicately with life in the sunlight. I could not believe I was wearing such a dress. She asked me where I got it and I said, 'My mother gave it to me.'
Then I told her that I had given the message to Hydrostud to say No and he had hurled the ball of tar away.
Comments
Quite a tale
Imagine if you and Josef teamed up to write a thriller on the challenge of moving beyond our current sexual habits!
Very Intense
and very surreal dream Hotspring - sure it is pregnant with meaning for you, that you can remember it in such lucid detail.
Can't speak for the other guys but I don't perceive the dream as something that would trigger me - appreciate your sensitivity but do hope we can continue to be open and honest in our sharing in this community.
IMHO, political correctness has gone way too far these days.
Thanks for sharing.
Richard
Wow. It's pretty mind
Wow. It's pretty mind boggling to me what I am willing to share here at times. It feels a bit vulnerable. This dream happened in the middle of the night. I was able to remember it because it was so vivid and Goldenheart had gotten up, waking me up and allowing a memory from a depth of sleep I normally don't have access to or recall.
In case the dream had no signifigance to others and seems only like something that might have meaning to me only, I shared it because it points to a few things that seem to be an obvious reflection of how the material on this site has penetrated my psyche as I go deeper into this journey of the exchanges and become aware of parts of myself that were previously unconcscious. What is interesting to me about the dream is firstly, that I seem to have reached a point of not having orgasms even in my dreams. That signifies to me that my level of commitment in waking life has reached a certain point - my subconscious is not compensating anymore by having orgasms in the dream world. The second point of interest to me is how much this site and the sharing that has gone on amongst porn addicts has shaped my view of men and their struggles. The dream very literally shows that I have a view that the majority of men may be so consumed by biological drives that they may be happy to wait in line to have a chance with a woman who has no special interest in them, has no discrimination as to who she accepts, and is more or less unhealthy, wounded, and demented. The dream also points to a level of similarity in the struggle that both men and women are going through - in the dream, I am physically turned on even though I have a deeper repulsion to what is going on, and I must overcome this biological overdrive. The dream shows me that I am dedicated to helping men become free from their enslavement, and while the imagery of wearing a shamaness's dress may come off as egotisitcal in our culture, it was the feeling of freshness and purity while wearing my new clothing - the new and whole feeling of who I really am - that stands out as the dominant feeling, and not a sense of accomplishment.
We are all always writing our stories, shaping our meaning, being influenced by others. Its interesting to me how deeply I've imbibed the story on this site, experimenting with it and travelling to new shores . . . wherever it may take me, even into the murky shadows and uplit brilliance of the dreamworld.
Deep Insight
Your dream analysis is profound in it's wisdom and I appreciate what you shared. In particular:
I would hesitate to speculate on the percentage of men that are consumed to that extent but it is certainly true for men that are struggling with sexual addiction. Beyond that obvious segment, are the "closet addicts" that successfully hide their addiction cloaked in society's "good old boy's club" or pretending to live the "playboy philosophy". Any way you cut it, there is a large element of men that are indeed consumed as you intuited.
The other thing that struck me in what you shared:
I believe that this is a core component of addiction - the stronger the revulsion, the stronger the arousal template, if that makes sense? Men I meet with describe the increasing pattern of needing more revolting/violent porn to create arousal as they become "habituated" to the milder stuff. So yes, for men and women alike, unless we overcome that addictive cycle, we fall deeper and deeper into a literal pit of hell.
Lastly:
To which I say, "thank you and God bless you." I appreciate the vision for this community of "healing with sexual relationships" as I also believe that men and women have been sold a bill of goods in our sick society and a paradigm shift in our sexuality is necessary to help us realize a more peaceful world.
While I can't see our world shifting any time soon, each one of us has the opportunity to "act locally" to effect small changes and who knows, some day we may tip the earth on it's axis!
Thank you for sharing of your dream world and offering a rich and meaningful interpretation that seems full of insight for us all.
Richard
First of all, thanks.
Thank you for sharing. You, and others on this site have been an ever increasing inspiration for me. I am still shy about share to some extent, but you and others through your example give me hope.
I will not presume to tell you what your dream ment, but I can tell you what it ment to me. For me it seemed this hydrostud is the desire to return to a primative way of sexual expression. This more than likely comes from the life style change. Some times the brain seeks to return to old patterns, even revolting ones, just to feel normal. You gave in, so to speak (this is coming from the point of veiw as if it were my dream, I don't mean to point any fingres), when you gave the hand job. Often we flirt with danger just a bit before we gain the strength to resist. For me elen seemed to be a relection of the fear of returning to the old life style, and how it ages, and stresses us. You witnessed yourself giving into your desire as if your desire was an actual person. What I liked was that there was no attempt to rescue yourself. You were open to hydrstud, accepting, as in accepting your self. It was after this that the pimp showed up. As always the true face of evil will show once one has broken through the fasade. Yet, from you acceptance, and encouagement your sexual drive gained the strenth to rederict it self. I thought your shaman's dress was interesting in that it had the small bit of fur. That could me that you recognize how our primal selves will always be apart of us, but we can master it.
Thats what I got out of the whole thing so once again thank you for sharing.
It may be
that we can *only* heal together...even if we can make lots of progress in gaining clarity on our own. I don't know, of course, but that's the message I get. I figure it can't *hurt* to treat each other as treasured teammates, no matter what. Good karma, if nothing else.