Solo Techniques for Redirecting Sexual Energy

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I found this on ashram.org and thought it might help us single guys if the sex craving comes up:

Techniques for Conservation of Seminal Energy

Technique: When the sex-centre is stimulated, ejaculation of semen takes place. This method checks it
effectively. If there is a thought of sexual desire in the mind, be alert. Concentrate your mind on genitals and
contract the genitals inwards towards the belly, just as piston is pulled outwards to fill the pump with water.
This is called Yoni Mudra. Then shut your eyes. Meditate, "Now I am looking upwards from lower sex-organs
to the thousand petalled lotuses (Sahasrara Chakra) in brain within my body." The seminal energy flows to
whatever point (organ) the mind is focused on. If you focus the mind on Sahasrara Chakra, the bioelectric
energy, which would have otherwise, been wasted in ejaculation through the activated Muladhara Chakra,
will be sublimated upwards to the Sahasrara Chakra and will be transmuted into Ojas. But mind well. If your
mind is still covetous of sex-pleasure, you will not succeed in preserving seminal energy. But if you practice
for a few days with discrimination and strong will, you will get abundantly its rewards. You will directly
experience that even though sexual desires come with a force of storm, with this technique applied, they
subside within a few seconds.

Another technique: Whenever any strong sexual desire arises, exhale all the air from lungs completely and
retain the breath out. Then contract your belly and take your navel back towards the spinal cord. By
repeating this two-three times, the passion is pacified and you will be saved from seminal discharge.
This technique is very simple but it is a very important Yogic maneuver. Air in the lungs is called Apaana
Vayu. With the strengthening of Apaana Vayu the sexual organ awakens and the mind becomes troubled. By
forceful expiration of air, Apaana Vayu is weakened. So it cannot activate the sex-centre. Moreover, by
contracting the belly and navel backwards, the remaining energy in the sex-centre goes towards the navel.
So there is no more energy left to activate sex-centre and thus ejaculation is prevented.
This technique could be practiced in any place, without spending any money. This technique should be
practiced regularly even when there is no sexual stimulation. It gives excellent benefits.

Herbal aid to celibacy: One can make this Ayurvedic Churna, without much cost at home. Take dried Amalas
(goose berries) the fruits of a tree Emblica Officinalis and grind them into powder. Ready-made Amala
powder is available in the market also. Mix two parts of the Amala powder with one part of powdered rocksugar.
You may get this ready-made mixture from ashram also.
Take one spoonful of the powder with water half an hour before going to bed. This powder thickens the
semen. It also relieves constipation. It restores the balance of Vata (Wind), Pitta (Bile) and Kafa (Phlegm). It
is also beneficial to those who get wet dreams. Even healthy people can take it as it helps in self-control.

Use of Gum: Soak 6 gms. Of Gum of Khair tree (Acacia catechu) in water at night. In the morning take this
soaked gum on empty stomach. If this causes loss of appetite, take a few slices of ginger with lemon juice 5-
10 minutes before meals.

Tulsi (ocimum sanctum): A miraculous herb - Victor Resin, a French doctor says, "Tulsi is a wonder drug.
Tulsi is very useful in regulation of blood pressure, digestive system, erythrocytocis and mental disorders. It
has anti-pyretic and anti-malarial properties also. This has been proved by research scholars.
Tulsi (Basil) cures many diseases. Moreover, it helps in conservation of seminal energy. It improves power of
memory. Leaf of Tulsi is an excellent herbal medicine. It restores imbalance of wind, bile and phlegm and
thereby helps in cure of many ailments caused due to their imbalance. It is very useful in cases of blood
disorders, cough, worm- infestation etc. It is good for cardiac disorders also."

Two Taoist Masters

Here are two interesting quotes---

Old people who are weak should avail themselves of the arousal of vitality to act immediately even before turning away their perverse thoughts. They should concentrate on the mortal gate (at the root of the penis) and breathe in to lift (the vital force there) up to (the lower tan t'ien cavity which is) 1-3 inches under the navel, pause a little before concentrating on the chiang kung centre (or the solar plexus) and then breathe out to lower the vital force there to the cavity of vitality (under the navel). From there positive vitality will spread to all parts of the body, killing all sexual desires. This exercise is to be repeated until the genital organ shrinks. If they so train how can there be desire for sexual intercourse?---from "Taoist Yoga" by Charles Luk

And

The Yellow Emperor was a great ruler, a philosopher and a physician. His teachings form the basis of Chinese Medicine, which at one time included knowledge of the bedroom arts. The Yellow Emperor was taught by three female sexual adepts who called themselves the Daughters of the Earth. They were the Plain Girl, the Dark Girl and the Selective Girl. Together they taught the Yellow Emperor the secrets of conserving semen, that illnesses and bodily ailments could be healed by using certain sexual positions, and that immortality could be achieved by continuous sexual intercourse with vast numbers of women in his harem. According to legend, he ruled for one hundred years then ascended to Heaven in broad daylight after having sex with twelve hundred women without once ejaculating.---from the "The Tao and the Tree of Life" by Steven Yudelove

One Taoist master demanded celibacy from his students and the other appears to have gone slight overboard in the other direction. Hmmm . . . could they both be doing the same thing?

It is because these 2 taoist

It is because these 2 taoist authors have different views about sex. I have read both of them before. Charles Luk is more of a meditator, he teaches Taoist Meditation Yoga. In his book, he detailed how he stopped masturbation, kept his energy, and when he meditated, he transmuted the energy to his higher centres, opening up his microcosmic orbit of energy (ie, his energy completed the whole circuit thru all his chakra and is circling in an orbit thru the spine and front of body.

The other author Yudelove teaches about Taoist Sexual Yoga. In this path, they teach semen retention, and they teach that having sex with women is good, as long as you don't ejaculate. In fact you can absorb the women's yin energy to boost up your own, increasing your own Life Energy.

Slightly Overboard LOL

Yeah, 1200 might be slightly overboard. LOL. It's always been interesting to me that redirecting horniness/sexual energy is so extoled. What if a person didn't awaken it to begin with? Wouldn't then that energy remain in the body too and be used for whatever purpose the body saw fit like healing, rejuvenation, concentration, etc.?

Maybe in the first case, the advice is for men who haven't trained themselves to redirect it all the time, so it's what to do in case horniness arises. Some might be wasted (cuz it seems that even without ejaculation, just the energy required to initiate the various processes involved with horniness takes some chi), but it's better than nothing.

In the second case, it might be that he's absorbing chi (and jing) from the women like a vampire. This might've been "okay" if the concubines gave of themselves in the spirit of devotion to their ruler (12-inch ruler? Wink Sorry, couldn't resist!), but OTOH, this kind of selfishness would seem to interfere with spiritual growth. I rejected Taoist sexual alchemy for awhile because of this, but luckily later, I learned that you can exchange energy with your partner, not just take it. The man gives his extra yang and receives the woman's extra yin, thereby balancing each other.

Yin + Yang = Unity

What if the exchange and balancing of energies was only a first encounter with Sacred Sex. What if the male and female energies became something new altogether? Yin + Yang = Unity. Each lover sharing the Unity of Yin and Yang with the other.

Sacred Sex

Sam wrote:

What if the exchange and balancing of energies was only a first encounter with Sacred Sex. What if the male and female energies became something new altogether? Yin + Yang = Unity. Each lover sharing the Unity of Yin and Yang with the other.

I actually don't really consider sexual energywork "sacred sex." I guess it can be, though, if the two people use it to awaken their chakras, but yes, I'm looking for something much deeper in sacred sex, like true spiritual stuff. I'm working on using it to open my heart, to feel deeper and deeper levels of love, and with such an open heart, glimpse divine unity. I've read a bit about the merging of the two halves to reform the original androgyne, but that's a little beyond my ability to conceive at this point. I wonder if that's not a religious way of saying the same thing?

Yin + Yang = Unity

In our case, even though I was deep up to my armpits in Mantak Chia's teachings about multiple orgasms, I was prompted to add stuff. We held each other a lot without intercourse. I was attracted to the feeling of hugging naked even back then. I insisted on attempting to pray while having sex or while hugging naked. At first, the spiritual feeling of prayer I was accustomed to was not there. With persistence, our prayers during sex took on a full spiritual feeling, much stronger than without sex. After sex, we'd sit and she'd have her list of questions. I think she enjoyed having a Ouija board for a husband.

Often, I would feel a huge spike of energy fill me in answer to these prayers. This was the Divine downloading the answer. Sometimes it would take hours or longer to interpret the very complex feelings, embedded in this spike of energy, into English, then it would take many paragraphs to lamely try to explain what I was told.

I noticed something else. After prayer, we were finished with sex, right? We were praying as a finishing touch and planned on getting up, right? As soon as the prayer ended and we started to get up and dress, the orgasms would start up again, even stronger than before. We decided, after some discussion, that it was the increase of energy that the prayer always gave us that brought on the extra orgasms.

For those doing sexual energy work to open their chakras, I would suggest that they add prayer as I described and add work on the heart through hugging from the very beginning. I use the term Sacred Sex, or Celestial Passion (which is the title of my book), to describe the whole experience, from energy work all the way up through love, vision and then Unity.

Our world is a lot like a fractal. Here's an idea I wrote just after taking a class on acupressure a while ago (corrected for better clarity)---

The Yin and Yang Principle

It seems to me that everything in this world of ours is either yin or yang, male or female, light or darkness, health or sickness, pleasure or pain. And each of these things is again subdivided into yin and yang, and so forth into infinite inner space. Like wise, all things are grouped into larger and larger yin and yang groups, expanding forever into infinite outer space. This arrangement is much like the fractal.

Put another way, if you look at a yang thing, you will notice that part of it is actually yin, and those parts, in turn, are further divided into smaller yin and yang components.

The human is an example of this principle. For simplicity's sake, let's say that the man is yang and the woman is yin. Perhaps you have learned about, or have experienced, this sensation of a man and a woman hugging, perhaps in an intimate way, front to front, in order to exchange energies and reach a state of equilibrium. As a result of this Sacred Embrace, each human becomes energized with enough of the other's energy so as to become balanced. I have found that at least a half hour is needed for this to occur, generally speaking.

Now, let's separate the couple and examine them one at a time. According to the Yin and Yang Principle, the man, though he is yang, has a yin part, and the female, likewise, has a yang part. They are a part of this cosmic fractal pattern. Since this is true, it stands to reason that each should be able to balance their yin and yang energies within, without the aid of the other part---the man without the woman, and visa versa. This is not to say that the Sacred Embrace is not needed or desired, but that a state of equilibrium can be reached by working with the energies on this smaller scale as well.---2008

There are actually many ways for a single person to connect their yin and yang parts to find balance. I have done a lot of inner work but I have found that our experiences with Sacred Sex helps the process. Perhaps, because we are part of this cosmic Yin Yang Fractal, we need to evolve spiritually on many different levels, not just on an inner level, but between lovers as well, and between cities and nations, between us and the stars. All is Unity. The Ra material said---

That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept. To have infinity you must identify or define the infinity as unity---RA, session 1

If this concept of a Yin Yang Fractal is correct, and we are broken down into an infinite number of yin and yang components, and are but pieces of larger and larger yin and yang parts, then we are infinite, both, as we look inward and outward. If we are infinite, then we are Unity, according the RA.

What makes us feel separate? Being yin and yang. As the chakras are opened, more and more of our yin and yang parts begin to merge, both inwardly and outwardly.

I had an experience a number of years ago. It was a landmark in my path, a central experience. At the time, all else was thought of by me as either preceding or coming after this event. I called it Union, but it was merely an opening, the first of its kind, letting me feel God's Light and Joy. Yes, I felt the Spirit before this, and since then, may other doors into the God-feeling have opened, but . . . BUT, that was a central experience, the Key to all others of its kind. From my journal---

One day, I got this idea, "What if, while I am praying to God, I expand my awareness to include him, just as I do with people or things?”

I knelt in prayer and I tried with all my might to reach out toward God. I tried pushing myself outward, growing myself into his dimension, the place I called to when addressing God. I felt the prayer feeling come over me and then expanded my awareness to include the place where this feeling was coming from.

As soon as I had done this, I was dreadfully sorry I did. All thoughts using words fled from my mind, just emotions were left, and they were screaming with pain, then even my emotions left me and it was as if a giant glove had reached down and had grabbed my head in a death grip. I continued trying to call to God. It took a great effort.

"Father, can you hear me?” No answer. "Oh God, don't leave me to face this alone. Hear me!” No answer. "Please, God, hear me pray.” No answer. I was alone. Just me and this gripping feeling of nothingness. I felt totally blanked out—no words, no pictures. Every normal thought was suppressed.

With time, the feeling went away. From then on, every time I tried to pray in this manner, I was thrust into this void. I realized that I would never be able to pray in the same way I had been doing for years. Instead of avoiding prayer, I prayed more often during the day. Eventually, it became more of a permanent state, just like anything that someone is persistent in practicing, like the change in my breathing and energy awareness.

"But, should I? Will expanding my awareness to include God during 'prayer' in this way lead to Union with God?” I wondered. "This feels right to me but . . . oh how I wish for a teacher."

Slowly, this void feeling gave way to a joyful feeling. Then the feeling of joy built and built until it felt like light was pouring through me day and night. I know that I had been trying to expand into others a lot and that I entered the void by attempting to include God within that expanding awareness, but just what caused this feeling of joy and light to open up in me, I can't say. It just happened. It wasn't any meditation or secret key, I was just ready and it happened. I didn't have to have a teacher tell me that I had experienced some form of Union with God. It was very clear to me that it was so. Yet, for the life of me, I can't say just what it was that caused this change in me, this permanent super-charged connection to God.---2006

Looking back, what happened was that I had broken through the veil into the brow chakra. The RA material states that this chakra is the first gateway into Intelligent Infinity. It also sates that---

The contact with intelligent infinity is most likely to produce an unspeakable joy in the entity experiencing such contact.---RA, session 80

At this point, God and Goddess stopped being two separate persona. They merged, and the prayer-feeling they each produced in me also merged and magnified. This yin and yang world began to lose it's distinction---not so much light and darkness, but a new energy that encompassed all the aspects of the Divine. I wrote this some months afterward---

Surrender to the Universe is the key---surrendering myself to being absorbed by this quantum field. Opening all the doors and windows of my soul to let the cosmic energy flow through me, and then tearing down the walls and the roof too, and becoming that cosmic energy. It is a process.---Journal 2007

I think I got off topic somehow. So I'll end. I suppose I'm thinking about this because I'm trying to take the incomprehensible and describe it n words and it can't be done.

Fractals

Do you actually feel like this fractal? When you exchange energy with your wife, are you actually aware of a yang energy exchanging for yin? For me, I just feel like a man. Sure, I have feminine aspects, but this seems different from yin and yang energies that are exchanging. Also, I don't seem to know what I'm exchanging. I just visualize energy from me, which I suppose is yang, though I don't really know what that means, going into the woman, and then I draw out her offered energy, which I suppose is yin, though I don't know what that means either.

Then, extending this yin/yang balancing beyond to cities, planets, and then the whole universe... wha??? How does that work?

Maybe I just gotta go along and when I experience what you have, then I'll know?

The experience when you encompassed God in your awareness, first feeling pain, then voidness, and then finally joy, was interesting too!

What I feel

Tantra11,

This Fractal concept is something I learned about in an acupressure class I took a little over a year ago. It's fun to theorize in an attempt to understand the inner feelings. And I love doing that, but this energy connection with your lover and then with the Creator is an automatic response from simple hugging and intercourse in stillness, coupled with the energy work necessary to open the chain of chakras. It just happens.

Here I go theorizing again---I believe that the void is my own self-made barriers between me and the Creator. That prayer I described had somehow poked a hole into the void. That wrecked havoc on my life at the time.

About a year ago, I viewed a past life of mine where I was a girl. She was a mystic and a "Damn good whore," to use her own words. Seeing into the past and future so much at that time and also seeing myself as a girl flipped something inside me and I stopped feeling time as a place in time, like a particular moment, but more like the flow of time from beginning to end. All time seemed like a moment, all happening simultaneously. The feeling persists. I had read about this concept but then I started to feel it. I also stopped seeing myself as a man. It is hard to explain. I am a still a man and act like a man, especially in bed, or at work. But there are times when I display my female side clearly. I feel like both male and female. My spirit is either both or neither, I haven't decided.

My energy exchange in bed is no longer felt as yin and yang. I feel the God-feeling of Unity flowing between us. There is no longer any effort to encourage this. We make love and the energy flows up through the chain of chakras, producing all the wonderful feelings each chakra has to offer. None of the energy collects in the groin any longer and so this is the end of any desire for normal sex. I feel on fire in bed. And this feeling of Unity slowly spread to my feelings about everyone else---like we are all having sex, but with out the sex part. Touch makes me feel God flowing from them and to them.

I have 40,000 words written so far in my book. About 10,000 words a day. So, I'd best get back to the book project. Trying to explain this stuff on the forum is helping me sort out my invisible feelings. By invisible, I mean that I can feel them but can't put it in words.

Book

Glad I could participate in the sorting out process! I'm grateful for all the information you've given us here. The way you describe time is the way I've always envisioned it (i.e. a mental knowingness, not the experience). I've had the sense that not only is all time happening at once (with my experience of its linearity only an illusion), but also that the separation into individual souls is also an illusion. So my sense is that I could say that I was also this "damn good whore" in a past life of mine too. I don't hear others talking of souls like this, but I once asked a Buddhist scholar, and he confirmed that though it's almost never described that way, it's not wrong either.

My thought is that

Both celibacy and lots of goddesses are ways to prevent true union of the type Sam is talking about...even though I love fairy tales.

As Tantra said, the "take without giving" formula always struck me as a spiritual time bomb. No way could it be the right answer...and not just because I'm a woman. Wink I feel sure I've been a man in many lifetimes...and probably screwed up this very issue, knowing me.

On Green Dragons and White Tigresses

Been away on my healing path and have not had time to follow much on line. Once again I find myself savoring the wonderful depth of knowledge shared here at Reuniting - thanks all for sharing.

I studied a Taoist path for a brief season that involved sexual practices for men known as Green Dragons and for the women known as White Tigress. The techniques were designed to be the harmonious and natural intertwining of sexual and spiritual forces. Done properly, the practices promised health, vitality and ultimately, immortality. Very esoteric stuff and the practice is very detailed, intense.

Best books that I know of is called "The Sexual Teachings of the White Tigress" and "The Sexual Teaching of the Jade Dragon" - both by Hsi Lai.

I agree with Sam that the ideal goal is to achieve unity but of course, sadly, the outcome is often only as pure as the intentions of the practitioners.

Richard

Well said, Richard

I actually had a look at "The Sexual Teachings of the White Tigress" and it gave me the creeps. A lot of it was about how to steal a man's sexual energy by avoiding intercourse but swallowing as much of his semen as possible.

Guess that might result in a lot of happy, but depleted, men :-), but frankly it just smacked of the old, equally one-sided stories about Taoist men "harvesting" the sexual energy of young girls for their own (the men's) purposes.

Big flashing red lights on both practices...as far as I'm concerned.

Good to have you pop in for a visit.

Red Lights Flashing

You are so right - very creepy stuff - I did my best to discern what truth it had for me and then, it was time to move on.

You are right, the point being that both men and women can approach each other in love or not - both tigresses and dragons seemed bent on their own gain at the expense of others.

The one reason I mentioned this at all was because the Dragon path was about the conservation of seminal energy for men - the Dragons did not consort with the Tigresses as the Tigresses were content to deplete men that did not have a spiritual path to speak of.

All the more amazing that the path has gathered so much wisdom on (supposed?) mastery of sexuality. The Tigress that I worked with was actually quite helpful to me and put me in touch with Mastery of Love by Ruiz.

That alone was worth the visit and my journey continues.

Richard

night ejaculation

I do not have any problem with masturbation and porn - I just do not do that anymore (half of the year I am completely clean and honest about it). What if I have night ejaculation? How can I conserve seminal energy? It is hard to control when you sleep, I even do not remember this dreams day after! I feel like 14 yo boy with that! Any suggestions?

Are you using

any of the techniques listed at the top of this page? I don't know if they would help, but they might.

When a man asked this same question in "Taoist Secrets of Love" by Mantak Chia, Chia replied, "find a woman." I like that suggestion! Did you ask out the shop woman???

when you say in the first

when you say in the first exercise to contract the genitals I get confused. I've always had a problem understand all the different variations. Does it mean to simply squeeze the PC muscle?, or pull in and up the lower abdomen which results in the genitals or the testicles to rise, I'm just not sure. Or is it both? Squeezing by itself the pc muscle doesn't result in an 'in' movement.

Experiment for yourself

and see what works. Words often get in the way of such descriptions (which is why I post various exercise), but experience will answer your questions. Maybe then, you can suggest your own description!

I think it's both. Also, I

I think it's both. Also, I think coordination of the PC and surrounding muscles develops with practice, so there can be an upward feeling when contracting it eventually. The lower abdomen part might help with this, but sometimes it's too tiring. Slowly, all the contractions should get more and more subtle. This is just my take on it, but I'm still a beginner with little guidance.

preserving sexual energy

Tantra11 wrote:

I found this on ashram.org and thought it might help us single guys if the sex craving comes up:

Techniques for Conservation of Seminal Energy

Technique: When the sex-centre is stimulated, ejaculation of semen takes place. This method checks it
effectively. If there is a thought of sexual desire in the mind, be alert. Concentrate your mind on genitals and
contract the genitals inwards towards the belly, just as piston is pulled outwards to fill the pump with water.
This is called Yoni Mudra. Then shut your eyes. Meditate, "Now I am looking upwards from lower sex-organs
to the thousand petalled lotuses (Sahasrara Chakra) in brain within my body." The seminal energy flows to
whatever point (organ) the mind is focused on. If you focus the mind on Sahasrara Chakra, the bioelectric
energy, which would have otherwise, been wasted in ejaculation through the activated Muladhara Chakra,
will be sublimated upwards to the Sahasrara Chakra and will be transmuted into Ojas. But mind well. If your
mind is still covetous of sex-pleasure, you will not succeed in preserving seminal energy. But if you practice
for a few days with discrimination and strong will, you will get abundantly its rewards. You will directly
experience that even though sexual desires come with a force of storm, with this technique applied, they
subside within a few seconds.

Another technique: Whenever any strong sexual desire arises, exhale all the air from lungs completely and
retain the breath out. Then contract your belly and take your navel back towards the spinal cord. By
repeating this two-three times, the passion is pacified and you will be saved from seminal discharge.
This technique is very simple but it is a very important Yogic maneuver. Air in the lungs is called Apaana
Vayu. With the strengthening of Apaana Vayu the sexual organ awakens and the mind becomes troubled. By
forceful expiration of air, Apaana Vayu is weakened. So it cannot activate the sex-centre. Moreover, by
contracting the belly and navel backwards, the remaining energy in the sex-centre goes towards the navel.
So there is no more energy left to activate sex-centre and thus ejaculation is prevented.
This technique could be practiced in any place, without spending any money. This technique should be
practiced regularly even when there is no sexual stimulation. It gives excellent benefits.

Herbal aid to celibacy: One can make this Ayurvedic Churna, without much cost at home. Take dried Amalas
(goose berries) the fruits of a tree Emblica Officinalis and grind them into powder. Ready-made Amala
powder is available in the market also. Mix two parts of the Amala powder with one part of powdered rocksugar.
You may get this ready-made mixture from ashram also.
Take one spoonful of the powder with water half an hour before going to bed. This powder thickens the
semen. It also relieves constipation. It restores the balance of Vata (Wind), Pitta (Bile) and Kafa (Phlegm). It
is also beneficial to those who get wet dreams. Even healthy people can take it as it helps in self-control.

Use of Gum: Soak 6 gms. Of Gum of Khair tree (Acacia catechu) in water at night. In the morning take this
soaked gum on empty stomach. If this causes loss of appetite, take a few slices of ginger with lemon juice 5-
10 minutes before meals.

Tulsi (ocimum sanctum): A miraculous herb - Victor Resin, a French doctor says, "Tulsi is a wonder drug.
Tulsi is very useful in regulation of blood pressure, digestive system, erythrocytocis and mental disorders. It
has anti-pyretic and anti-malarial properties also. This has been proved by research scholars.
Tulsi (Basil) cures many diseases. Moreover, it helps in conservation of seminal energy. It improves power of
memory. Leaf of Tulsi is an excellent herbal medicine. It restores imbalance of wind, bile and phlegm and
thereby helps in cure of many ailments caused due to their imbalance. It is very useful in cases of blood
disorders, cough, worm- infestation etc. It is good for cardiac disorders also."

sweetlilac Do these techniques work the same for females? Please give me some techniques for females on conserving and redirecting sexual energy, you seem to have alot of knowledge on the subject. Very interesting article.

Hmmm....

Had a look and these seem more geared to women, and would probably not be helpful to guys here. But they have some of the same ideas, for sure.