Pesky Dream Orgasms

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Day 85 of commitment to no orgasm.

Night before last, had a dream orgasm. It'd been 43 days since the last one. Those 43 were a little different, however. Of course, I went back into the passion cycle something fierce, but that dissipated after 13-14 days. Wahoo! But then, a week or two ago, I started to deal with lust again. Not that it ever fully went away. I'd feel a physical sensation in my genitals, a physical desire, an orgasmic fullness, but it was easily ignored. Now, accompanying it was lust much like the regular passion cycle. Desirous thoughts, in other words. That made it harder to resist, but I did, for it was still much less intense than actual passion cycle lust.

I suspect this was caused by some or all of the following possible factors:

1. My extra fatigue. I over-exerted recently and fell into a place of fatigue worse and lasting longer than I anticipated. This leads to frustration and depression, so maybe my body was craving its old escapes, of which masturbation was one. I did indulge one of my other escapes: video games, but I was way too tired for the main other, which is computer programming.

2. Getting lazy about bonding, keeping a good attitude... the emotional work, basically. That stuff is hard when you're alone, fatigued, and depressed. However, I maintained my regimen of daily meditation and aside from a few days were I stayed indoors, I took my nature walks. That helps. I've been writing letters to a friend as well, which also helps, though it's a far cry from being in the actual physical company of friends.

3. Diet. Redbeard, you might be interested to hear that I ate a lot of tortilla chips the night it happened, same as you! I haven't eaten any chips for over a year, sticking to my healthy diet, but due to my extra fatigue, I decided to indulge in some processed food. I'd eaten some a few days before, but not in such quantity.

4. I don't know if this one is a cause or a symptom, but I'd find myself lusting after women in sex scenes in movies. When I initially went celibate, this had gotten a lot less. I was seeing them as human beings first, objects of desire second, if at all, even in sex scenes. Now, I went back to the old ways of just plain desiring them. Nothing wrong with that, as long as in real life, you also treat women with respect, but it was a sign that I was less in oxytocin mode than before. Probably this was both a cause and a symptom, creating a vicious cycle, but I have no shame about it. Worse would be to feel shame and suppress it. I plan to just continue to do all the things to stay in the oxytocin cycle as much as possible, and let the lust be what it is, whether that be high or low. The ultimate goal, of course, is to get free of it (though I am still seeking a girlfriend to do karezza with, that is to be a tantrika rather than a brahmachari, though for the time being, I'm a brahmachari).

5. I started to not do as much about the lust I would feel. I used to do all the various things that get rid of it: bonding behaviors, walking outside, pouring a stream of cool water on the penis, even just peeing (using the male Kegel exercise during it). I got lazy and started to indulge the feeling, get drawn in by it, and this probably increased it. This must be why yogis avoid all sexual, mental stimulation (and of course physical stimulation). It draws you back in. I guess there's a fine line between avoiding and suppressing. Avoid means to do you best, but if it happens, it happens and you just accept where you're at. Suppressing is bottling up, leading to an explosive indulgence. It's fighting yourself, an inner conflict, and that's not healthy.

I guess my point in sharing all this is to share the in's and out's of my journey. I'm sure others are dealing with the same issue, so the more we know about all the factors that go into this phenomenon the better for all of us. It sucks to go back into the passion cycle and have to white knuckle it again and again.

I've been doing the male Kegel exercises, so my PC muscles seemed stronger. I was able to prevent an ejaculation that seemed to have the strength that would've broken past before. That helped, so I don't feel as drained. The downside is that I didn't get hardly any relief from lust. The ache in my loins is back already, yearning for that special someone. May I find her soon!

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Diet and exercise

just intensify the light from 60 to 1000 watts for me. You probably find the same thing. Man, oh, man, can I tell you about fatigue and junk food! It happened to me a few nights ago. I have been working a lot lately and when I don't have some good protein and veggies I am all about the Chineese take-out or Carl's Jr! This all of course is dimming the bright light. But, I did not do any self-touching. That was hard as hell. But I managed it. It's very hard to maintain the course when you start on a slippery slope. I am learning on every step with you. As far as those PC exercises, I have been able to stop some ejaculation too, this was about a week ago, but it was too close for comfort and I still felt a dip in energy. A friend of mine who went 9 months said that it's best (I was afraid of this) to not do ANY touching so that you can reach that exponential potential of energy and perhaps become meta-physical. 9 months! I don't know if he is completely truthful but it doesn't mean he may not be right. Always good to read your stuff Tantra, talk soon.

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Tantra11

I want to know what you are doing to find some touch. Can you get a massage?

It is hard for you to *receive*? If the Daoists are right (just found out that the official Romanization of that Chinese word is "Daoist"), then energy has to flow...or stagnate. Sometimes I sense that you are...a bit stuck. Letting others pamper you a bit might get your energy moving.

I once attended ZEGG's summer camp. ZEGG is a community in Germany based on polyamory, and a lot of people go there to have lots of sex. (I was there to see if they would find a group of volunteers to experiment with the Exchanges. Didn't happen.) One man was wondering why he wasn't connecting with anyone. I gave him a sisterly back massage, and very quickly he attracted a partner (not me Eye-wink). Sometimes you need a bit of yin energy to "prime the pump." May be worth a try.

*a big hug*

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Receiving

I don't know if it's hard for me to receive. Some contexts, yes, but others no. It has to do with how well I know the person, and if I don't know them very well, I worry about over stepping boundaries.

However, I did just find a Biodynamic CMT here in Crestone. I'd checked the link to the list Hotspring gave me, but no one on it was local to me. Then, I happened to be on a Crestone website a few days ago and found one! Maybe it was a message from the universe?

I am a bit stuck, but I think it's just the extreme low energy. That's how CFS works--it takes energy to heal, but the energy isn't there, so the only solution is to minimize energy expenditure way, way down, which is why I hope my current state of extra fatigue is actually a good thing and not just from over-exertion.

Money issues also make things hard. Plus being out here all alone with no support system. These things aside, though, being "stuck" might be the best way to heal CFS. However, I will see what I can do to "prime the pump" too and get that massage. It's definitely worth a try, investigating the idea that getting pampered will help get the energy flowing. It's a delicate balancing act, and I always tend to err on the side of doing too much. We'll see if massage is or not.

I also called a Physical Therapy office and Chiropractor today because these might be covered under Medicaid. Not as good as massage, but you do what you gotta do. Massage itself is a far cry from a girlfriend, but one thing at a time. Eye-wink

Daoism with a "D" is probably correct, but I wonder if that's just in the scholarly circles? Outside of it, the word has probably entered the English language, anglicized with a "T" even though that's not phonetic. Do you know what system or romanization the "D" way comes from? Back when I was studying this stuff more, it was Pinyin, I believe, and Wade-Giles had fallen out of favor.

T4ytime, did this friend of yours go nine months with no dream orgasms either?

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Yes, pinyin

is the official one now, here in the States...from the Library of Congress on down. But my publisher is insisting on "Taoist," because they publish so many books on Daoist subjects, and don't want to start to make the change, I guess. Oh well.

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Pinyin

I think that's the right choice, except for scholarly works. Taoist with a "T" has made it into the vernacular. (Or maybe I'm just getting old and set in my ways. Eye-wink )

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It's nice to see you

perk up, Tantra! Smiling

ARGH, me too

...with the dream O's, I mean. I was finally out of the clear by about three days, and then... wham! It happened last night, and believe it or not, I had been eating corn chips! I guess Tostitos needs to put a warning on the label.

Anyways, I really notice the difference today. It's like you don't even notice how much better you've been feeling until the hangover kicks in, and you realize how crappy you feel. I'm noticing that it's not so much a lack of energy on my part, as it is an overwhelming amount of nervous and unfocused energy. What I lack is discipline to redirect that energy into something productive in the meantime. Ugh. Oh well, it sucks but we're in it together. Smiling

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*giggle*

I shouldn't laugh, but there's something funny about corn chips being such a culprit.

Maybe we'll all end up "breatharians" as well as great karezza lovers. Eye-wink

corn chips

latest news re corn chips -yep corn leads to porn

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Corn

Based on all this feedback, I think this definitely merits further scientific study. I propose the following methodology: 1200 random people, 300 get Frito-lay corn chips, 300 get organic tortilla chips, 300 get potato chips, and 300 get corn on the cob. They eat this an hour before bed for two months and the rate of dream orgasms, sexual desire level, and porn use are tracked. Now we just need to get funding. LOL.

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and

some salsa!

Corn chips!

Send complaints here: http://www.fritolay.com/about-us/contact-us.html Smiling

Just a few other things. I'd been laying off eating carbs since blaming them for my last orgasm flurry. I guess the process with carbs is that, if they're not digested in the gut, they pass to the colon and the microorganisms there take care of the rest, but also producing byproducts. Recently, I went back to eating rice by itself, and I noticed that, if they're chewed in the mouth, they tend to mush down well and not cause gas and bloating. Whereas, with sushi rice, eating with fish and seaweed, the rice caused bloating.

I guess agricultural civilizations have more starch-digesting enzymes in their saliva. With corn chips, maybe it's because they're fried and the salivary enzymes can't get to them. Also, since tortilla chips are usually eaten with dip or salsa, maybe the saliva isn't getting to it enough.

And, with the over-exertion, I went though that last week, doing crazy exercises for a month got me burning up with inflammation. I believe that exercise and physical strain increase cortisol, and cortisol was what I blamed for the burning and inflammation I felt when I wasn't getting enough oxytocin. In this study, oxytocin counteracted cortisol.

I'd say "good luck", but you seem to be doing fine. "Happy tinkering", then?

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Let's hear it for oxytocin!

Snuggling anyone yet, Redbeard? Eye-wink

Nah.

It was probably a dead give-away since I've been spending time researching salivary enzymes, eh?

I'm sort of back to where I started, focusing on the career first, a woman down the road. Knock on wood, if everything goes like last time, I still have another month or so of time before the cortisol starts kicking my rear end back to the dating scene; hopefully I'll be more situated by then.

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Well, that's

exciting news about your career enthusiasm. Good luck. Will you become a nutrition counselor?

Auto mechanic.

I was looking for more of a trade. Machines are another main interest, being a mechanic suits my handsy and practical sides, there's excess demand, high rates of self-employment. Suits me well, I've decided.

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Makes sense

And it doesn't get in the way of your passion for nutrition information either.

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Happy tinkering it is!

I have a similar theory about the (LAUGH) tortilla chips. It's that they're so dang dry and crunchy, so then maybe the gut has to work harder to digest them, thereby bringing more energy to that general area, some of which leaks down a little further. Same idea as avoiding food at night in general as well as a full bladder.

I too have heard that the Asian race has a bigger pancreas due to the long history of rice consumption. I'm Japanese-American, so I should have this rice-burner pancreas. Yet the corn chips still influenced me. LOL. Maybe it's the GMO corn. Evil GMO! Or just the toxic nature of processed food? Or the needy mood that led to the craving for that kind of comfort food to begin with? Or... total coincidence!

Or...

What about the salt content?

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Salt

Could be. Who knows! But I doubt it, cuz CFS is a low blood pressure condition. Salt is good for me, actually.

what *is* this

Ok this may not be related - but - I had my first wet dream in like 1/2 year (going almost a month w/o masturbating) and I realized I had eaten chips the evening before, something I never do... eat lots of nuts and even peanuts but never chips.. And then I read this topic today, ha ha.

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Corn chips?

OK, so maybe chips in the evening promote dreams - about whatever has been on your mind recently. Smiling