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J.H. Noyes - "Male Continence" & Quodoushka

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Fri, 2005-05-06 00:41 — Marnia

Noyes was the grandfather of America's own tradition of sacred sexuality, preceding the work of Alice Bunker Stockham (creator of the term "Karezza") and J. William Lloyd ("The Karezza Method").

If you've never read Noyes' colorful story, you can find it here: "To Bring about a True Union of the Sexes" - http://www.reuniting.info/wisdom/male_continence_noyes_oneida

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Thu, 2005-05-26 16:16 — Arjay
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Re: John Humphrey Noyes - "Male Continence"

Lemniscate wrote:
Noyes was the grandfather of America's own tradition of sacred sexuality....

If I might be permited a slight objection here as to the origins of sacred sexuality in the Americas. I have lost the souce of this quote but hope you will find it interesting.

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Most would be surprised to learn such knowledge is also deeply embedded in the traditions of the indigenous peoples of the Americas. In 1972, the Elders of the Twisted Hairs of Turtle Island made the decision to share their esoteric teachings with the rest of the world through the Deer Tribe Metis Medicine Society in Arizona. A significant component of these teachings is a body of sexual knowledge known as the Chulaquai Quodoushka. 'Chulaquai' refers to the primordial life force energy from which everything is created. 'Quodoushka' is the magickal energy created when two life force energies merge to create a new energy greater than the sum of its parts.

Among other things, the Quodoushka teachings emphasise a woman's role as leader in the heterosexual sexual union. When engaged in sexual activity, the man must take his cues from the woman with regards to pacing and priority, following her breathing patterns, and paying close attention to her body movements. Quodoushka teachings are more extensive and take longer for men because women are far more complex. Still, a woman must become accustomed to directing her male partner, even after he is aware of her specific needs.

As with Tantric teachings, while the focus is on awakening and acknowledging our sexual selves, the impact is felt in every aspect of the individual's life. Men who have experienced the profound teachings of a Taoist, Tantric, or Quodoushka workshop will attest to the potential of this knowledge to transform their lives, their relationships, and the way they view women. For women, it is like coming home.

However, like Noyes original practice, the woman was not dicouraged from achieving orgasm.

Thu, 2005-05-26 16:43 — Marnia
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John Humphrey Noyes - "Male Continence"

I'd like to know more about Quodoushka. A friend went to several levels of their trainings and said male orgasm (and certainly female orgasm) was still part of the picture. That's why I don't think it belongs in the same lineage as Noyes/Stockham/Lloyd.

It sounds more like Tantra, which can produce amazing transcendental results...and yet lead to separation between partners because the emphasis is ultimately more on 'heat" than "heart," even though the lovemaking is vastly superior to the average encounter. Certainly it didn't improve my friend's ability to bond deeply with his partner.

On the other hand, maybe the original Native American teachers had it right, and recent "interpreters" have "improved" it by keeping orgasm in the picture. This has happened with Tantric information over and over and over...thanks to the design of the primitive brain.

Please share more!

Thu, 2005-05-26 17:32 — Pistis Sophia

J.H. Noyes - "Male Continence" & Quodoushka

I just found the quote as part of the following article:

http://www.yoniversum.nl/pandora/andrew01.html

The author concludes (not specifically about Quodoushka) :

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Once both women and men understand just how powerful and healing a woman's orgasm can be, and how great is her need to experience it as often as possible, then life's priorities are a lot clearer.

It's easy nowadays to find articles and ever whole books, schools and web sites where sexuality is replaced within a spiritual context. Obviously, people read into sacred texts what they want to hear. The selling point is often "more profound orgasms, as well as increased pleasure": people are obviously more interested in that than in finding and serving their true, inner, divine self.
:roll: Puzzled:

I'm sure though that American Indians must have had their true Sacred Sexuality tradition (one based on preserving and transmuting the semen and avoiding orgasm), something akin to European Kabbalah and Sexual Alchemy. That's only speculation, because obviously the native Americans have not made those teachings public, provided this tradition has existed and is still alive today.

That makes Noyes the first American figure to have publicly spoken about a form of "coitus reservatus".

Thu, 2005-05-26 17:54 — Marnia
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John Humphrey Noyes -

I suspect you're right. I also know that Alice Bunker Stockham, MD ("Karezza" author), who was born on the (then) American frontier in 1833 had great respect for the Native Americans living near her home. It's possible she could have learned something from them that later pointed her in the direction of finding a healthier approach to sex and procreation. At moments like this it would be nice to have a crystal ball....Smiling

Meanwhile, here's one of my favorite Native American myths, which definitely relates to sacred sexuality:

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White Buffalo Calf Woman

Buffalo stretched to the horizon across the grassy hills. Two brothers were
walking towards them. As they walked they saw within the herd a white buffalo
calf, something neither one of them had seen before. While they watched it, it
began to raise itself up and as it did, its appearance became human.

The apparition began to move slowly towards them, becoming more and more
visible as they stood there watching. Anxiously, the brothers waited and at last
over the crest of a hill came a beautiful woman. She was wearing a white
buckskin dress decorated with dark porcupine quills. At her side she carried a
pipe bag which had on it the symbol of the four directions.

Remarking on her
extraordinary beauty, the first brother said that he would like to lay with her
in the grass. "Put aside such thoughts," said the second brother. "This woman is
sacred, perhaps a vision, but certainly not one to be approached in a way that
is not respectful."

But as he spoke, the woman walked past him into the arms of
his brother and said, "Come to me -you shall have what you desire."
As they fell into the grass, they disappeared in a cloud-like mist and the
sounds of their lovemaking could be heard. When the mist settled, the woman was
standing. At her feet lay the decomposing corpse of the brother.

As the other
brother's eyes fell upon the body he was filled with fear, but before he could
move the woman said, 'Don't be afraid, while you stood there your brother lived
a lifetime getting what he wanted, but because he looked only to my outer beauty
he never knew my spirit. You wanted to know my spirit so l will go with you now
and teach your people.'

White Buffalo Calf Woman was God incarnated for the people she came to. She
taught them how to call the buffalo with their dance and their songs so they
would not go hungry. She gave the people the sacred pipe and taught them the
power of the four directions. Her message for all the people of the world was:
any man who takes a woman for physical beauty will never know her spirit, but a
man who knows her mind and spirit will also know God.