Christianity and Sex

This is a post I've thought about recently, but have been a little reluctant to write. For two reasons.

One, this isn't a site about religion, specifically Christianity. Yet, the topic does come up here and there, tonight in a post from Marina concerning one theory of history. (Which I would have a hard time swallowing, but that's another issue and not where I want to go here.)

Two, because there are several who are not Christians, and I don't want to come across as pushing that. But there are some here I think who are Christians, and they could benefit from a look at this from that perspective. Plus, I've picked up that some of those who are not Christian, have nevertheless been greatly affected, often negatively, by religion, specifically Christianity. And it is to that which I wanted to address because I think for most places, the real teaching of the early Church has been perverted from what we have now, resulting in the shame and guilt we have so often experienced, instead of the healing that was put into place.

So, keep in mind, this is primarily directed at Christians, but I think those who are not, but have been affected by Christian teachings in a negative way may find this helpful. But you have been warned...this is about God. smiley

Also, to give you a generic idea of where I'm coming from, I have a BA in religion and have been a minister for two parishes. But my readings in early Church writings and study of the Scriptures have lead me to some conclusions that you're not likely to find in many Christian churches in this day and age, especially here in the USA, but also in many places.

Much of the problems have arisen from seeing God as a judge who has a Divine Law. When we break that Law, we are guilty and deserve death. Jesus' death and resurrection was supposed to "take our place" and satisfy the demands of the law that someone die for this violation of God's law, and in God's Divine Justice, He can't just forgive us, someone has to die. So Jesus did. That's the standard Protestant theology of the atonement.

The problems with that are several, but here I want to focus primarily on this one: it makes God out to be the bad guy, thus the image people have of God sitting in heaven, looking down on us, waiting for us to mess up so he can throw his Zeus-like lightning bolt down and strike us dead because we failed to live up to some arbitrary law/rule that God set up and He's down right angry at us.

As it translates into sexual issues, pulled from the Victorian era especially, guilt is brought on because we are guilty of breaking the law of fornication or adultry or uncleanliness, etc. So we feel God's about ready to strike us dead. Then we deal with that in one of three ways. We either hide from God in fear all our lives, try to make amends/seek His forgiveness through standard Christian teachings, or we reject the whole theology (and assuming that represents the fullness of Christianity, that too) and no longer accept that God exist, or if he does, we want no part of him. What doesn't tend to happen is healing. First one, we're too busy hiding by various means, ignoring God, that the issues get swept under the rug, only to build up into a festering pile of rotting stench.

In the second, one may find some "peace" and believe they've been forgiven, but they still haven't dealt with the issue of their perception of God as someone who is unable to forgive their slip-up short of killing someone, so there remains an element of unhealthy fear that will only sink them deeper should they find themselves drawn back to the sin (or some who sweep even that issue under the rug by saying no matter what one does, they are "saved"). In this second instance, what doesn't happen is dealing with the real consequences of the issues.

In the third, the wrong concept is rejected, but the healing concept is not found to replace it. Instead, the baby tends to get thrown out with the bath water. Plus, the affects of those wrong teachings tend to have consequences far into the life because the underlying issues have never been dealt with, making it difficult to find full healing.

But from the beginning, God and salvation were not understood in this way. The current understanding is really a variation on Anselm's attempt to explain the atonement, except instead of the metaphor of a court room and judge, he used the owing of a debt and God is the creditor. In his attempt to explain why Jesus had to die and how that saves us, he said that by sinning, we violate God's honor, and in so doing, we owe that back to him. Except that His honor is infinite, and so there is no way we can pay that back, being finite. So Jesus becomes man and dies, so that he also being fully God and infinite himself, can pay back the Father the debt we owe in our behalf. It is from this that the Catholic Church derives its concepts of merits, because Christ had enough righteousness, an infinite amount, to pay off our unrighteousness before God.

When Protestants took off with this, it had transmuted into the legal framework. Same principles, but a different metaphor.

But what Christ established and the early Church understood is that the Church is a spiritual hospital. Note Christ's words in the Gospels that he came to call the sinners, not the righteous. It's not that the righteous didn't need healing, but as long as they think of themselves as righteous, they cannot be helped. But sinners can. When you're sick, the first step is to know your sick, then you go to a doctor.

This is the reason in the Greek, that the same word is used for "salvation" and "to heal." The only way the translators know which English word to use is by context, but in the Greek, it is the exact same word. So always at the heart of what salvation is about is healing. The healing of the sickness of the fall, which was the loss of divine life in man that allowed him to have contact with the divine God without being destroyed by His presence.

You can relate the affects of the fall to HIV. As created, our immune system keeps us from getting sick and dying. But when HIV comes on the scene, it makes the immune system sick, which allows any other sickness to have free reign over us and potentially kill us. Man was created to commune with God. When the fall happened, we essentially lost our "immune system" to his presence. That would have immediately brought death to us, but he hid himself from us so that we could live in our fallen state, in the hopes of healing us and redeeming us.

Sin then isn't the breaking of an arbitrary law that God made, rather the Law is detailing those activities that destroy relationships between ourselves and him, and thus destroy His creation as he created it to work. He created complete unity, but the fall introduced disharmony. And so we have reasons for books like Marina's because we are not "reunited" as we should be, thanks to this fall.

Salvation/healing then results by the re-infusion of divine life into us so that we can come into his presence without dying. That is why Jesus had to die, so He could be broken, and we could participate in his Life. This is why in the early Church, the Eucharist was called "The Medicine of Immortality." It is why the early Church understood the Christian life to be a means to bring healing of our condition, rather than condemnation and death. God no longer is the meanie who is waiting to punish us, rather He's the guy who gave His only Son so that we could have real life and be healed. So we could once again come into His presence and have the right "immunities" to not die there (the second death, or hell). God doesn't want us to die, He's giving us time to be healed.

What that all means in the context of this site's purpose for those who are Christians and believe in the Christian understanding of God, is that "guilt" and "shame" for committing sexual "sins" is misplaced. It would be the equivalent to coming to the doctor and feeling ashamed that you caught the flu. It should be just as matter of fact to come to God and say, "I'm sick. I need help."

There is a difference, yes. Getting sick doesn't involve your will whereas sin usually does. But addictions are strong, and we are fallen humans. God knows this. We should too. God only wants to heal us, not punish us. So we shouldn't be afraid to come to Him. We shouldn't hide from Him.

And we shouldn't try to pretend that we're good Christians when on the inside we are all too aware of our sins, i.e., those things that are destroying our relationships with others and God. That prevents us from obtaining the healing we need, because Christ didn't come to call the righteous. As long as you think you are, you'll miss Christ who is the means of healing. Admit you need a doctor and take the prescription. Then you can find healing. Because the whole human race fell into this sickness. No one is free from it on their own.

But the unnatural shame and guilt brought on by many results in both this view of God as out to get them, and the facade that many churches want to present that everyone here is righteous and perfect. We don't sin! I.E., everyone here never does anything that destroys relationships. Yeah right. It's the same problem noted when people mention that the Church is full of hypocrites: come on in, there's room for one more! We're all hypocrites in one way or another (holding one belief but our actions don't match). We're all sick.

But the result of that is, I have no basis to judge anyone else. I'm as much a sinner as the next guy. Which is why when Jesus said to the people about to throw rocks at the woman caught in adultery, "the one without sin can throw the first stone," not one of the "righteous" Pharisees could throw that first rock. Then Jesus told her that neither did He condemn her. But she was caught in the act! She was guilty as all get out! Yet Christ, God himself, didn't condemn her. Who are we to do so with anyone else's sin if God didn't condemn that woman caught red-handed in adultery? Therefore, we don't come to God in guilt and shame and fear that he's going to strike us dead, we come to Him because in both the OT and NT He is shown as merciful and forgiving when we come to Him admitting we're sick, and need His help to be healed.

And thus, you have no basis to berate yourself for slipping into masturbation or porn or whatever. You want to avoid those because as Marina shows scientifically, doing so helps our relationships to bond stronger. They are not "nasty" or "bad" because God doesn't like them, and doesn't like us to enjoy pleasure. They are bad because they destroy those bonds, tear apart what God created to be united with each other and Him. You see this through the whole Bible, Old and New Testaments. Everyone of the Ten Commandments, for instance, deals with how to have a healthy relationship with God and others. For instance, stealing from someone will not create a positive bonding relationship with them. smiley

I hope those not holding to Christian beliefs, but decided to read this whole post, will not be too offended at the "God talk." It isn't my aim here to convert anyone, or present the Gospel in an attempt to wave it in anyone's face. But those are issues that I think Christians have dealt with, and I thought it would be beneficial for those Christians who come here to get a handle on why these sexual issues have often from the Christian standpoint been dealt with in a way that is more destructive than healing. And for those who've been affected by them to have the handles, even if you don't believe in Christianity anymore, to sort through the errors in that teaching that lead you down the wrong paths initially, and how you might see the healthy way to deal with those issues, whether or not you ever end up a Christian in the future.

But if I've crossed a line with this post, Marina, feel free to delete it. I won't be offended. I'm only hoping it can be a help to some to see how the original Christian teachings can actually line up very well with the approach you are taking in your book and on this site.

Thanks for indulging me. smiley

Comments

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Your compassion and humility would be a welcome gift to any site. "Labels" and "flavors" really aren't as important as we think.

And whether we believe our creator designed our body or evolution did, it's clear that feelings of connectedness and safety are vital for good psychological and physical health. So any "barriers to love" (whether horizontal or vertical) do not serve us.

What I wrote here was not helpful to anyone. sorry.

I fully agree with you that it is highly unlikely that something like god exists. But I suspect that the basic question of existence of the deity itself is irrelevant when the existence of belief is undeniable. As long as minds believe, then the culture at large has to suffer the consequences. Damn right there's no god, but half the adults in this country still think you'll burn if you X Y or Z, and so we have to contend with whatever bullshit policies or attitudes result from their mindset, regardless of whether the ultimate cause is a real deity or an inherited mind-virus. Meme? Whatever. I hate that word. Anyway, life would be far easier if god existed and just left us the fuck alone...instead, there's surely no god but s/he is principally concerned with nosing around in our personal shit...

I agree with what you have said here. I just want to make that clear. Even with what I have in the other post on here.

I still believe what I have posted above. That being said. I should explain that It is the Christian god I do not believe in. Also just tonight I have learned giving into my anger is not something I can allow. Religious topics just seem to bring it out in me. Now something happened tonight that I think helped me see that while there may not be a "God" there may be a force in the universe that flows through it. That is the best I can explain it. I know I have felt this way before now. I have even discussed it in here in the past. I have trouble putting it into words. I do not think you should try really. I think that is what brings out my anger toward religion. Religion tries to tell you how to perceive this force. I do not think you can or should try to give it thought. Is there something there. I am almost sure there is. I just do not believe in God or religion as such. I just have great anger with religion that is not just Christianity but as far as I can tell all of them. They get so caught up in themselves that they do not "see". It is the "not seeing the forest for the trees" thinking. You have too narrow a view trying to explain something that can not be explained and should not be. The universe is and the power in it is. That is all that is needed.

It is fault in myself that I let anger and rage take control of me sometimes. I need to look at myself more clearly or I am never going to heal. I do not feel I need to ask for "Gods" help though. Not what religion would call god any way. Maybe there is something to group or tribal consciousness though. Again it is hard to give it words and I do not think I should try. Just accept that something is there.

Some times though things happen and the timing is just beyond coincidence. I can also accept being wrong and see the flaw with anger in myself. I am working on that. I have lashed out here before and had to accept my failings. Had to look at myself and see my flaws and deal with them. I think that is the only way to really heal. Well maybe not the only way but it is the quickest and most direct route. Admitting your own weakness and flaws and then doing what you need to do to correct them.

Well there are some insights for me.
Be Safe
James

That's pretty much how I look at it. What I believe or any of us believe doesn't change reality. We all have our reasons for why we believe what we do, and this isn't the place to debate those. Either God exist or He doesn't. In the case of this post, if the shoe fits, think about wearing it. If it doesn't apply because you don't believe it, then it probably has little applicability to you.

For those who do believe, I hope it can provide some context that has been lost--a new way to look at these things that can help them to approach these issues in a beneficial manner rather than the one that may be programmed into their minds. I wrote it for that purpose, and not to prove God's existence to anyone. That wasn't the goal.

I regret letting anger control me. I will not make excuses though. That is how I felt and believe. I just should have better control of myself. If something can help someone I need to accept it. I will say I just fear religion sometimes. I have seen the damage it can cause. You can see the damage in some of the members here. Maybe even in me.

I'm fine with your anger. It may very well be justified. I'm not qualified to judge that, or to attempt to analyze it. And I'm sad that any religion, especially Christianity, ends up causing these results in people's lives. As I said, no matter what, wherever humans are involved, things get messy. Pride, greed, power, all tend to cause people to misuse otherwise good religious principles for negative ends.

But I should add that while people in the name of religion have done some horrible things, there are also a lot of people who have done great and wonderful things, improved people's lives, in that same name. But there's little purpose to attempt a checkbox comparison (since none of us know it all anyway). Point being, people can use and misuse any good thing, as we see on this site dealing with what are essentially good things, sexual connections. The goal is to help each other get back to a balance.

It's obvious you and some others here have been hurt by people or a group representing Christianity. I can understand why you'd be angry about that. Which is all the more reason why I went ahead and posted this, because I'm hoping it can help those in such situations right now to see a different way within Christianity of looking at this, of enabling them to apply the principles of this site in healing relationships. If religion might be in the way, I'm hoping I can aid someone who has no desire to leave the Christian faith, to see how to apply their faith in a positive direction...so they don't experience the same things you and others have.

But I appreciate your frank and honest comments. And be assured, I have no desire to cause you or others stress by bringing this up. I'm sorry if I have. The world has enough disharmony in it. Be assured I have nothing but good thoughts for you and appreciate your presence and input here. It is valuable.

Its important to look at this in eye. Its a problem in the christian church that's not acknowledged honestly. It will only get worse if christians arent educated in how to deal with things as important as sex. If there is all denial and shame involved, its just going to keep messing up generations of kids. Ive always thought this approach here to sex is perfectly consistent with most religious practices and should compliment them.

I like that statement: what is, is; can't argue with that! Well, maybe some kind of philosopher could... And you're right, your goal was to outline a potentially useful way for people to work on healing, not to prove god. So I should follow Seeker's lead and apologize for reflexively disagreeing. I automatically react to religion/god material with hostility, so I evidently have some ingrained resentment to address, and I apologize for using your post an opportunity to externalize my anger.

I understand the anger. I appreciate the honesty of the folk here. No sweeping things under the rugs for us! smiley

I harbor no resentment to your posts and appreciate whatever insights you can offer. We're here for the purpose of helping each other grow in our relationships. Sometimes dealing with underlying resentments is important as well. They can poison our current relationships with people we like and love. I know Marnia has posted some stuff on that too, which I've skimmed and haven't read everything.

We all have our stuff to work on. Me included. As everyone on the site can see from my post, I have my issues to deal with. Together we can help each other, I think.

I have a love/hate relationship with religion. One the one hand, the destruction done in the name of it, the politics and fear throughout history, Pat Robertson speaking, the craziness I experienced while living in a hindu temple, all of these things make me want to get far away from it. On the other hand, I have met some of the best and genuine people through religion, living in the temple gave me structure and discipline when my life had no direction and I was trying to get off drugs, the philosophy and esoteric teachings and practices seemed to be incredible.

I dont think I can blame my parents for corrupting me with religion because they werent really practicing anything. It was more like shame, denial, and fear. My mother could tell me anything about the devil, armageddon, or sin, but I dont ever remember her saying anything about good will, spirit, or peace. Im not sure what she was doing, but it wasnt spirituality, it was more of a folk cocktail of garbage.

I put religion on the shelf for years as it did not seem relevant to me and I was trying to purge myself of the ill effects like the toxic shame, etc. It felt like I painted myself in a dangerous corner and the liberation of the spiritual seemed like it was becoming more of a prison. I majored in philosophy and encountered some of these questions from a different angle and my interest was sparked again. I was impressed with early christian thought and medieval philosophy. It was the first time I saw logic used in christianity and the early thinkers were very coherent.

I compared it to modern sermons, and modern christianity just doesnt talk to me. The things that I hear from these speakers are about as relevant as a Yoruban tribesman talking about and trying to convince me of Ogun the god of Iron. I have a lot more respect for logic than I do faith at this point as faith can make people do heinous things in the name of god, and is subject to mistakes, erroneous, and crazy thinking. Literal interpretations of symbolic thought is a major flaw with most religions.

Logic is consistent and truthful, a quality that if there is a god, would probably be an important part of it.

I like your thoughts and approach to christianity. I prefer to see sin as something that prevents a person from experiencing the ultimate as well. What we define as sin can probably be defined as many times as there are people in the world, but these thoughts can lead to a better life that can include life's most sublime thoughts and experiences. Thanks for sharing the good parts of religion.

I would say yes to what you've said here. I appreciate your comments.