Figurative porn (WARNING: post is not for the weak or faint of heart)

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I've noticed some threads lately that touch on the issue of whether fantasy while masturbating is any different than using porn for masturbation. For the most part, I tend to think they are, but with some differences that tend to be spawned by the individual's inner workings.

Word of warning - this is not an explicit triggering post - but I'm not gonna lie - it's blunt, and shows the depths of a many year compulsive/addictive masturbation habit, some of it porn-related, some of it not. I'm not diving into lurid specifics, but there is a bit of an ugly view of how I used to function. It's simply not pretty - and I'm not relaying it to push buttons or titillate - if nothing else - maybe someone else will not feel so dirty, shameful/guilty, realize they're not alone.

Basis for the following: I never found myself porn addicted as so many have suffered. Oh, I've seen my share of it, rest assured. In the earliest years of the marriage, when I found myself frustrated by the infrequent physical contact (either sexual or non-sexual), part of which was caused by sporadic work-related trips for me or her (we actually worked for same company for 3 years), when she was out of town on a job that spanned a week, I would occasionally make a trip to a video rental place (back when the standard vhs rental places had that back room with the curtain over the entrance), get a few movies, and no, I'm not making this up - I more than once spent 2-3 days watching full time, masturbating repeatedly, incessantly, sleeping only briefly before waking up from a sex dream because big surprise, I was hearing the sounds because the movies were still playing - I'd fallen asleep because I'd literally masturbated to the point of exhaustion/passing out. I barely ate, if I did odds are it was because I called for pizza or chinese to be delivered. Perhaps the most appalling thing to come out of that - once I'd actually called for the pizza to be delivered, and decided I wanted to work in a quick episode/orgasm before it got there. The doorbell was ringing, repeatedly, while I was trying to get that one more orgasm in - and obviously if you've been pleasuring yourself repeatedly for hours, or days, the orgasms don't always happen as easily. I am actually surprised the guy hadn't given up and left - but I got the orgasm, ran for the door with money in hand, and not that I really cared whether it was obvious what was going on, I didn't think to turn the sound down or stop the movie - so hiding behind the barely opened door, still standing there sans clothing, I hand the money out, but the door had to open wider to get the pizza in, and the soundtrack was clearly audible - the pizza guy gets a smile on his face, says enjoy the pizza - then in a scene that you'd think would only be lame enough to be in a porn movie, he says point blank - you were my last delivery this round - mind if I check it out? Screwed up tho it is, I only get shy about not having clothes on if it's a physically intimate situation - otherwise, I tend to be pretty casual about it - taking the pizza, I basically told him to help himself to the movie. Trust me, sports fans - it's a pretty odd thing to be sitting on one's sofa, eating pizza naked and chugging from the two liter, while the pizza delivery dude watches your rented porn and masturbates just as casually as you casually sit there naked and eating. Afterwards, he simply left, and I obviously resumed what I'd be doing.

Yes, I'm aware that this is about as ugly as a masturbation addiction can get.

I didn't do it every time she was out of town, and it didn't seem to affect me emotionally in a negative way. I wasn't savoring women being portrayed as sex objects/victims - I knew from the first that my driving force was that we were not having sex very much, primarily because of her issues and inhibitions, but neither were we exploring even some basically vanilla things I wanted to explore/try. So, the wonders of porn movies, I could for a brief few hours or days have as many orgasms as I wished, while watching whatever I wished. Yes, for those of you who are younger, that's what porn used to be, not the easy button clicks it is now.

And I tired of it quickly - I found during the last couple of bouts of that that I went thru, that it did nothing for me - I could no more get aroused from it than I could have a masturbation orgasm to it. Why? Because it dawned on me - that the types of porn I rented - not acts/fetishes/triggers of the stereotypical type - I realized that my selection was based on finding a vhs cover that showed the actresses, and that I picked movies that had actresses that closely resembled my spouse - either in facial resemblance, or physique - sometimes it was even more selective, if I couldn't find one that closely resembled her, I'd settle for ones that had very similar anatomical features. I realized that I was only renting stuff that reminded me of her in some way - because she was the only woman I wanted - I realized that I couldn't even orgasm from masturbation unless it was her as the fantasy - her eyes, her facial expressions of arousal and orgasm.

Except from the pizza delivery incident, she knew, I did not hide my masturbation marathons - she has never expressed a porn interest, the one time we watched the classic Caligula, she actually fell asleep while we watched it. I know what her visual triggers are, but she simply never has admitted that yeah, there are a few types that draw her attention. But back on track - when I realized that she was my sole non-porn fantasy, when I realized that I was merely picturing her face during those marathons, when I realized I no longer cared to watch it again, I felt that to be honest with her, I should tell her of my revelation - this is a good thing, right? You, my spouse, are the only person who can give me orgasm that I truly enjoy and do not feel dirty/ashamed of afterward. So I told her - and as previously discussed in another of my blog postings (I think), it took something that I felt was complimentary, a positive, and became something that she could use to her advantage, to her control over me. It was merely perceived as another form of control/power, a source of confidence that I wouldn't be looking elsehwere/cheating on her, because she was the only woman I wanted.

So, the occasional porn use no longer necessary/effective, masturbation became something I used to ease the appetite/desire for her - a folly, it was always too insatiable. Through later years, as I realized that I was even more strongly being treated as the necessary life support system for the rarely desired erect penis, the true bubble fantasy world came to life. Masturbation became something that I did to avoid making sexual advances, to lessen my body's instinctive response/arousal to her when she did show interest. The hardest part of all of that was the self loathing that came with the solo orgasms - I hated myself, found myself feeling pathetic, that I could not orgasm without the masturbation fantasy being of her - even unto the point where I learned to no longer picture myself sexually interacting with her in the masturbation fantasies, but instead detached - it was obvious that I was not capable of attracting her, was undesirable whether unattractive or lousy in bed - a perhaps self inflicted syndrome/perception, but one that was fostered in reality by the way she was also obviously drawing inward/shutting me out during the rare sex - to this day, I have only the slightest inkling of where she goes emotionally/mentally during sex/orgasm - I simply know that she's not there with me.

I learned to focus inward for masturbation. Which meant that I had to find new ways, new abstract and intangible fantasies, to orgasm on my own. Which meant that I was finding new ways, new places, to compulsively masturbate. I didn't even want to depress myself by doing it in our bed, or our home.

While the porn use was an immediate revelation at the time, when I realized that I was simply projecting her into the porn and so abandoned it instantly, with ease, it was a longer, slower loss of appetite for the "maintenance" masturbation that was done to keep the wolf fed with fantasies totally disconnected from her, to the point where the entire appetite for masturbation whithered, it became something I did not for pleasure or sexual release, but something done as a stress reliever, a sleep aid, that I could do quickly and without any sexual attachment to her or a fantasy - I guess it simply boosted the biochemicals so that my focus/clarity returned if I found myself getting edgy from desire in general/physical need, or whether I found myself slipping back towards masturbation fantasies focused on her.

Yes - there is a connection between this blathering, and the posted title. (Side note to Poet, if you've actually managed to read this - your posting regarding trivializing the fantasies/porn memories, the boggart/Ridikulus one, that made me have a genuine epiphany rather than a metanoia. Also, Aphrodite's Chela, if you're reading this one, perhaps you better realize why I sometimes say reading your posts is like reading my own mind, be it your love and desire for your goddess, or our shared past O/C tendency of writing notes along the curve of the hip of a portrayal of a nude female). It was recently, as in just within the last couple of weeks, that while I realized that while I never had a huge porn appetite, and have not watched it for years, that I was in essence still porn addicted. How? Because all this time, with porn or without, the emotional and physical fixation on this woman that I have loved and lusted for since first sight, was my porn - my figurative porn. While on the one hand it seems both logical and affirming that someone spent so much of their life wanting no one but his wife, that sole-source desire built up a library in my head of mental/emotional porn, fixated on her, that would rival the collection of the library of Alexandria). I suppose there is an endless, nobody-wins debate possible on whether it is a physical/instinctive trait or an emotional/mental/environmental thought process, that some of us are drawn to porn because of the endless possible acts and sex partners, or whether like me, some of us are hard wired to instinctively wrap our sexuality around one person, be that person our partner or not. But ultimately, whether in pictures or video or audio porn, or whether in our heads, emotionally and mentally, a junkie is a junkie until some pivotal moment breaks us immediately or by slow weaning.

I'm actually, surprisingly despite educational background and life experiences, fairly devout in my faith. And over the last 3 years, albeit it in incredibly tragic forms on most people's scales, there are days when am genuinely grateful and have more than once thanked God that a greater good came from my figurative camel's back being broken - not just porn, not just spouse-based mental/figurative porn, but in both physical and mental/emotional foundations, my entire libido and means of perceiving my world thru it have been nailed shut in their coffin. It allows me to return to last winter's celibacy-based harmony and peace in the non-physical portions of the relationship. Granted, perhaps I should have kept my mouth shut and not expressed to her that I felt that the entire prostate cancer/impotence end result was a godsend/blessing in disguise - that my varied and loving attempts to fulfill her needs despite the inability did not help her very much -but I can only take responsibility for my side of the communication - and not from desperation or giving up, but knowing genuinely in myself, that I gave our physical relationship every opportunity to come together in a manner healthy for both of us. No, I don't like that in staying sane/healthy as an individual, I have found myself haunted by a feeling that I am leaving her to founder thru learning how to incorporate her sexuality as an individual into her life - but I cannot ignore the fact that our marriage never worked better than it did during those precious 45 days.

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I don't know if that was ugly, but the pizza guy story made me laugh out loud. OMG!

On a more solemn note, there is one thing I disagree with. Actually, none of us have been giving our relationships their best possible chance for fulfillment. We've bought into the idea that overstimulating our brains with orgasm strengthens relationships. That's easy to do...because, at the time, orgasms *feel* like they do.

But by desensitizing our brains, we actually cause creeping separation. I remember that when I first started thinking in "separation" terms, I was *amazed* at the many different ways couples separated. Many stay married. But a separation creeps in. Even if they still have sex, separation creeps in. It's eerie. And it's always easy to blame on "something else." How could sex be the problem, when it feels so good, and we both love our orgasms, right???? And yet, try karezza for a while, and you see the separation begin to ease. Amazing...that restoring the brain to its normal sensitivity with a few bonding cues can be so effective.

Fact is, pair bonders need to make "preserving the sensitivity of their brains" their TOP priority. Why? It makes subtle bonding pleasures delicious. And by extension, it makes partners look smiley to each other.

Aside: I know your wife looked good to you...but as you say, you were often relating to her in your head as your private porn queen. And sometimes the more unattainable something is, the more it gets our dopamine going. It's almost like a buzz from "forbidden" or "anxiety-producing" images. The "if I could just have THAT, I'd be happy at last" is the ultimate "porn" - unless you get THAT (coveted thing) in the precise form you want it. THEN, of course, you have to find something ELSE that kicks in the dopamine anticipation buzz.

I am also struck by the belief in your story, which is common to most of us, that "orgasms are like staples." If you're hungry, just "eat a few" and you'll feel fed. I know it *seems* that way, because there's temporary relief. But, in fact, just as you have recounted, you were left feeling unsatisfied...and prudently worked out that there was no amount of porn that would ever satisfy you...so you left it behind.

BIG POINT - Maybe that experience can help you understand why no amount of orgasms you delivered to your beloved ever satisfied her either. It had nothing to do with you personally. No one would have done any better...unless, ironically, he had put her on a diet of "more bonding behaviors - fewer orgasms." And who would have thought to do that??? smiley In short, YOU are not the problem in your marriage. Nor is SHE. The WAY you were going about things was simply not the way the strengthens pair bonds. It was the recipe for "casual sex with lots of partners and recurring restlessness," not the recipe for "happy pair bonding."

That's right. You're not unattractive. You're not the "wrong type." If you looked like the type you think your wife is attracted to...she would have become desensitized to too much of that "type," and she might appear to be attracted to someone of your "type" now. smiley Got it???

It breaks my heart to see lovers' self-esteem (or estimation of their "lovability") tarnished by their mates' indifference...when the indifference is simply a product of a desensitized brain seeking novelty, or "the unattainable thrill" because it never feels satisfied. This problem is going on a lot...in a lot of marriages. It sucks. Really wonderful mates, who could be glowing with good humor and affection, are instead trying to work out what the hell is going on. And all because we haven't understood how our pair bonding program actually operates. Grrrrr.......

My point? (You thought you were the only one who could ramble on.... smiley ) It's okay to try something that simply doesn't work very well...and have it not work. The mistake is in thinking that there was something wrong with YOU because it didn't work very well.

Maybe you could read Cupid to her every night as a bedtime story. A little education can go a long way.

We're victims of altered perception in our intimate relationships, folks. And we now know how to restore our perception...if we're willing to walk past the old ways of doing things...to find the even *older* ways of doing things. smiley This problem has been around a long time. And it affects both sexes.

I leave you with this little ditty from the Greek Anthology:

Once plighted, no men would go whoring.
They'd stay with the one they adore,
If women were half as alluring
After the act as before.

This is a description of how over-stimulation shifts perception. There are a million variations on this theme. But at base, the problem is still "separation" born of an unwelcome shift in perception due to neurochemical changes deep in the brain. Welcome to planet Earth.

Are you really sure you wanna challenge my ramble capabilities here? smiley.gif" alt="smiley"/> smiley

Ok, to stay non-nonsensical, a rare point by point, in which you are paraphrased:

I don't know if that was ugly, but the pizza guy story made me laugh out loud. OMG!
Yeah - it was surreal to say the least.

there is one thing I disagree with. Actually, none of us have been giving our relationships their best possible chance for fulfillment.
Don't totally agree, but my perception of having busted my balls for over two decades potentially alters my viewpoing - tomato, potatoe.

Many stay married. But a separation creeps in. Even if they still have sex, separation creeps in. It's eerie.....And yet, try karezza for a while, and you see the separation begin to ease.
It is indeed eerie - for me, far less eerie if the camel's back stays broken, seriously. You know I'm a bonding behavior/karezze believer, but it takes two...the separation only eases if we're celibate.

Aside: I know your wife looked good to you...
Still does - and turning her into my personal figurative porn queen was the point I obviously failed to make - I won't deny she still looks good - which is why I also tend to politely, but deliberately, avoid mutual nudity - I accept that even with a broken camel back, it's still always gonna be there, lurking - the potential for tempation/weakness is always there. The irony of any form of sexual addiction, even if it is a "wholesome" one based solely on her - the only valid point I took away from an attempt at SAA meetings, was a basic premise - it's the only addiction that one tries to come to grips with while still continuing the addiction to some hopefully healthier degree - unlike any other addiction, the point of which is total avoidance - fortunately but unfortunately, just like post-cancer impotence, blessings in disguise come in odd forms always - in this case, an addiction to her sexually is best managed by the same means of conquering every other addiction - total abstinence. The train wreck of the overheated, manipulative triggered end to the 45 day abstinence/celibacy period is what I consider the headlight on the train - if I can see the headlight coming, I can at least avoid throwing myself in front of it, as well as hopefully not letting myself get pulled in front of it.

I am also struck by the belief in your story, which is common to most of us, that "orgasms are like staples." If you're hungry, just "eat a few" and you'll feel fed. I know it *seems* that way, because there's temporary relief. But, in fact, just as you have recounted, you were left feeling unsatisfied...and prudently worked out that there was no amount of porn that would ever satisfy you...so you left it behind.
Better and more concisely said than me smiley

It had nothing to do with you personally. No one would have done any better... In short, YOU are not the problem in your marriage. Nor is SHE.
Perhaps self servingly, or as a rationalization/survival mechanism - I did take from the couples counseling in 2007 that no, it was not my fault, in fact I made some of it my fault by assuming it was my fault and self destructing from the depair. An occasional reminder, initially a thought process of mine, coincedentally voiced by one of her sisters, who has tried to help/ediate but has thrown up her hands in despair: "It's not you, she'd have done any man this way" - in terms of keeping him at arm's length by refusing to trust, refusing to be vulnerable, refusal to be dependent upon anyone for anything - including orgasms - which she self-induces in her own version of the bubble, and which has also manifested itself in the form of retreating to her safe/comfort zone during mutual sex when it happened. It's also partially a control thing for her, she does not like being out of control of her body in the face of physical pleasure/sensation. Ultimately, like me, she is a product of her upbringing and experiences, but unlike some, she refuses to confront and challenge issues - because it forces acknowledgement of them.

Side note: Yes, I'm perfectly aware that there is potentially some traumatic event from her past - her sister has tried to sound it out - but again, discussing a problem, emotional or sexual, equals acknowledging it - and she has a few forms of bubbles that have nothing to do with sex or orgasm. My key lesson learned, is that I no longer internalize them or assume they're my fault - I'd kill to be able to help her - but she refuses it - and while it's admittedly the entirely wrong reason/foundation to eliminate (for me) the sexual component of an otherwise pretty happy marriage, it's a balancing act I have found for the foreseeable future represents the only means of survival. Yes, forcing one's own self into deliberate celibacy and having to self-restrain when one's lifelong porn queen is right under his nose - it's just fucked up - but if I'm going to have to deal with some aspects of the relationship alone, sexual or otherwise, it's my current means of survival in the absence of the other patient looking for the cure with me.

Side note: it's far easier, I acknowledge, when one's physical limitations give the blessed relief of not feeling the typical male incessant random demands driven by temporary diversion of the blood supply - I have that impotence advantage, sex is far easier to ignore. And sooner or later my continued willingness to cuddle or chastely kiss but staunch refusal to take it a step further, with or without orgasm, is gonna wake the 300 pound gorilla - but maybe that period of silence will make it something she's willing to talk about/confront no matter if it means acknowleding it - my main job is to keep loving her without, as I said on AC's blog, going on strike just to cut off my own nose. Just because I refuse to doormat/beg for sex, doesn't mean I"m trying to turn the tables and make her beg for it - seriously - the issue I discussed on the "door wide open" post on my blog - for the first time in 26 years, she gave me inadvertently the desired (by her) ability to stop wanting her that much - or at all. I honestly don't know if it's possible for the camel's back to mend. Unfortunately for me - and hypothetically for her, altho I can't pretend to speak for her - she actually killed my physical interest.

That's right. You're not unattractive. You're not the "wrong type." If you looked like the type you think your wife is attracted to...she would have become desensitized to too much of that "type," and she might appear to be attracted to someone of your "type" now. Got it???
No, don't got that one just yet - I see what you're saying - but - long story short - I believe she is one of those individuals (of either gender) who has the type they want for marriage, and the type they want between their legs, bluntly. I'm not saying it from a "woe is me, I'm an ugly duckling or lame in bed or both" standpoint - it's more a matter of her rigid self control - she has issues with being out of control/in the throes of intense sensation with someone who fixes her coffee and packs her off to work the next day and takes the kids to school. I don't think that's quite saying it right - it's not a matter of physical attractiveness to her, it's figurative - she doesn't like getting out of control with someone she has to look in the eye the next day - because then she wouldn't be able to look at herself in the mirror - she'd be in her own eyes a loathsome wanton whore/slut - it's her own self image that she would put at risk by letting herself off the pedestal and admitting she likes orgasm just as much as anyone. Key point - it's not my physical self image - it's her boundary drawn over letting herself be human.

It breaks my heart to see lovers' self-esteem (or estimation of their "lovability") tarnished by their mates' indifference...
Agree, it sucks - and I wrote the bible on it.

The mistake is in thinking that there was something wrong with YOU because it didn't work very well.
Again, also agree - I no longer blame myself, honestly - the gradually improving (over last 3 years) Lazarus 2.0 thing - the end result, is that even thinking of doing more than cuddling and snoring when lying next to her, is not somewhere I can currently afford to be, nor care to be.

Maybe you could read Cupid to her every night as a bedtime story.
OMG...smiley.gif" alt="smiley"/>....that's fucking hilarious....shit, how do I explain this so I don't sound like I'm dogging your work, which I think is valid and eloquent - long ago, I got hurt feelings because she told me she'd masturbated, inspired by your run of the mill Harlequin romance type sex scene that she read. In an effort to try to give her a more comfortable means of communication on sex than verbal, which she is not comfortable doing, I tried writing her - erotically, but not trashy - we're not talking Penthouse Forum throbbing love pistons/steaming love cylinders here - we're talking lovemaking, inspired by her, written for her - and she'd said that she didn't find what I had written her interesting. After I got that particular issue purged out of my system, I moved on. But, as asking her to read PBTS and Cupid was illustrative of - she reads voraciously - but only fiction that is strongly and darkly erotic - from vamp to shapeshifter, fae, and if it's those genre, she'll read some seriously non-vanilla stuff - again, voraciously. I made the mistake of once asking (again - not antagonistically) why such fare appealed to her when she was a fairly mainstream individual in terms of her sexual likes/dislikes - her response: "I don't have to want to do it to love reading it". Said with as much objective sincerity as I can muster - sex is something she'd rather read about than do.

We're victims of altered perception in our intimate relationships, folks. And we now know how to restore our perception...
Agree, and learned to restore my perception - I cannot attest to the accuracy of hers.

I leave you with this little ditty from the Greek Anthology:

Once plighted, no men would go whoring.
They'd stay with the one they adore,
If women were half as alluring
After the act as before.

Agree that's what it is - and until the camel's back breaker - I still found her even more beautiful with passing time than the previous day. I am not saying the thought of touching her turns my stomach - I just can't afford to continue to self destruct by centering my entire sexuality - or even part of it - on her any more.