Breaking the Masturbation Habbit - My story.
I've never blogged before, but thought I would give it a try to see if it will help me in my efforts to give up masturbation.
About a month ago I made a commitment to my wife that I would give up masturbation. We have been married for almost 19 years and the issue of me masturbating has been a huge issue in our marriage. I have always had an addiction to masturbation and masturbated on average 4 to 5 times a week, regardless of whether or not we were having intercourse. I also had a habit of using porn to masturbate which intensified when we started having marital difficulties.
My wife would absolutely not tolerate pornography in our marriage, so I did it in secret for many years knowing that if she ever caught me, our marriage would probably be over. As our marital difficulties increased, I turned more and more to pornography and masturbation. I became more and more careless in my use of pornography as well until one day, almost three years ago, she walked in on me masturbating to porn. Luckily it didn't end our marriage, but it came awfully close.
After that, I started attending Sexaholics Anonymous meetings and also started seeing a therapist as well. My therapist was trained by Dr. Patrick Carnes, a leading therapist is sexual addiction. He was a proponent of the S.A.A. philosophy. S.A. and S.A.A. have very different philosophies. S.A. holds that any sexual activity outside of marriage is wrong. Period. S.A.A. has you define what activities are verboten and refers to these as "inner circle behaviors." You also define what is not verboten, but will likely lead to verboten and these are called "middle circle behaviors." The idea is to absolutely avoid inner circle behaviors and avoid middle circle behaviors as much as possible. A "slip" is defined as engaging in inner circle behaviors. In contrast, S.A. just defines a "slip" as sex outside the marital relationship. Plain and simple. I think both programs put way to much emphasis on "slips."
My therapist felt that S.A. was too "hardcore" and that the kinder, gentler approach of S.A.A. would more likely lead to success. I defined pornography as an inner circle behavior and masturbation as a middle circle behavior. I found it relatively easy to give up pornography. Masturbation, however, was a different matter.
The therapist I was seeing felt that occasional masturbation was perfectly normal and acceptable, but that I shouldn't engage in it more than once or twice a week. As far as my wife's concerns, well that was her "issue," but not one that I should agree to under any circumstance. He told me that foregoing masturbation was not only unnecessary, but potentially risky as it might lead to more risky behaviors. The one time that I tried to eliminate masturbation entirely did not work well. I shortly found myself totally fixated on my genitals and then started flirting with exhibitionism for the first time until I had a "slip" after a couple of weeks. That was not a pleasant experience.
For about two years, my wife and I had a don't ask, don't tell policy about masturbation. During that time we were in joint therapy and I was working hard on my recovery. Our sex life, however, was not particularly good. I found that whenever we had sexual intercourse (about twice a month) my wife was not engaged emotionally. She said she wanted to be, but couldn't knowing that I was masturbating. That just drove me nuts because I wanted the intimate connection with her, but just couldn't seem to find it no matter what I did. Our therapist appeared to believe that my masturbation was not a problem, simply a natural expression of my male sexuality and that my wife had the problem. I was quite happy to agree and continue masturbating hoping that my wife would come around.
The topic of masturbation came up again and again and we were always at an impasse. I started to believe that our marriage simply wasn't going to work out, as I wasn't willing to live in a "loveless" marriage, nor was I willing to give up the perfectly healthy behavior of masturbation. However, divorce presented significant difficulties not the least of which was the potential damage to our four young children. Another significant difficulty to divorce is that my wife and I truly love each other and have a generally good marriage, notwithstanding our sexual dysfunction.
As time went on, I began to realize that I was never going to "change" her view on this issue. This came to a head when she caught me preparing to masturbate a couple of months ago. "Don't ask, don't tell" has never really worked in the military and it certainly didn't work in our marriage either.
When "the issue" reared its ugly head in our marriage once again, I ultimately came to the decision that I couldn't change her, but that I could change me and would have to if my marriage was going to survive. In my heart of hearts, I knew that I probably still had an addiction, albeit "controlled" to masturbation or at least orgasmic sex. So, finally admitting this to myself about a month ago I made the decision to give up masturbation. Fortunately, at the same time I found this web site. I have been an avid reader for the past month taking inspiration from the stories of others.
Nonetheless, I have not had an easy go of it and I have slipped three times in the last three weeks. My initial resolve lasted about two weeks and then I masturbated the morning after we had intercourse leading to orgasm. The next two slips came on the same day about a week later. The second time I figured, "hell, I've already blown it today, might as well enjoy myself before I start over." I knew that it was a big mistake. I found that after the first slip, the "urges" or "withdrawal" was much less intense than it had previously been. In the past four days I have been withdrawing from the double whammy and it has been a real bitch. My "goal" right now is to go the entire month of July without masturbating.
My wife has been very supportive of my effort and we have been practicing Karezza daily. My commitment has made a big change in our relationship. We have had lots of physical touch and hugging and nightly cuddling. Our "connection" seems stronger than it has been in years. A few times our cuddling has gone farther and led to intercourse and orgasmic sex. We are still experimenting trying to find the right balance. At times she feels that I get "frantic" for sexual touch and that my "addict" is looking for an orgasm as a "fix." My "addict" says she is full of it, but in my heart I think she may be right. Unfortunately, it also tends to "trigger" me when I feel anyone is trying to control my "addict."
I have never found that deprivation works. I can only "white knuckle" it for so long. The karezza method does seem to me to be the "kindler, gentler" approach and I truly believe that it will work and it is the best course. I'm still confused right now about whether or not I should be trying to avoid orgasm altogether for the month. Part of me feels it is necessary to completely withdraw from what feels like a strong addiction that I am still suffering from. Part of me fears that trying to give up orgasm altogether is just too extreme. I know that I am committed to not masturbating and I think I'll try to meet that goal for now.
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Wow
I really admire your courage and willingness to experiment. And it's great that your wife is on board.
I wish I knew the right answer. I agree that rigid ideas can backfire. On the other hand, we've been pleased with our consistency with karezza. Occasionally orgasm sneaks up on us, but we don't go for it. We find the orgasms useful...because we definitely notice the hangover...which motivates us to continue enjoying karezza.
Maybe try something like Cole, where you experiment with one thing or another for a month at a time.
Good luck to you both.
Day 5: Feeling Better
I can already tell that today is going to be a much better day than yesterday. Hmmm. Perhaps it was the three hours of cuddling with my wife in the park while we waited for the fire works show to start. During that time I played with her hair and we rubbed each other's backs. Then when the fireworks started I sat behind her with her between my legs and leaning up against me. My arms got a bit tired trying to hold us both up, but the physical contact felt so darn good I was happy to endure some minor discomfort.
Yesterday morning, in contrast, was really tough. I had gone into work and was the only one there. Several times during the morning I started playing around which only builds the tension and makes me more miserable. Fortunately, I was able to distract myself by writing my first blog entry, but my work product was not terribly productive.
It's interesting to note how physical touch with my wife can sooth my addictive beast while sexual touch by myself just feeds a raging fire. I'm learning!
Yeah,
Gary says he would never have quit masturbating except in relationship. He wasn't a porn user though. Had he been...he would probably have had to go through the same struggles some of you are.
But my point is that your brain evolved to find close contact soothing because it serves both you and your offspring. It didn't evolve the way it did to get you hooked on porn - even though porn can easily hijack it.
In other words, if you play your cards right with a partner, you have everything going for you to get back in balance.
*big hug*
Day 6: Rewards and Progress
Yesterday my wife told me that she is in love with me! How
is that? !!!
She told me that while she has always loved me, she hadn't felt "in love" with me for a long time.
She also said that for quite some time, she had not really wanted to be with me, but now she does.
All I can say is THIS IS WORKING.
I'm still having some daily struggles. I guess I'd be dead if I wasn't, huh?
The "urge" to masturbate is much much less today, but I found myself still having a lot of self doubt this morning about the program and my commitment. It is amazing to me that in the face of some fantastic rewards, I can still have these feelings of self doubt, but there they are. I think part of that is due to not enough sleep and being a bit run down. Overall, I'm pretty pleased with the progress I am making.
Just want to say this is a
Just want to say this is a really
story. Amazing to hear how in such a short time it seems like your relationship has turned around already and heading in the right direction. Well done Sid! I bet the kids are noticing the difference as well.
Whomever designed these brains of ours needs to be fired 'cause I can relate to having feelings of doubt "in the face of some fantastic rewards". Silly addictive brains we have.
I am so happy for you and your wife
My wife is strong willed also. Your story reads very much as my own, although my wife was not adamant about quitting masturbation, she was about the porn. She now knows (after seeing the improvements in me, her and our relationship) that my masturbation habit was just as bad and as Marnia stated above, the occasional orgasm serves to remind us why we no longer desire them.
Sooner or later, the desire to masturbate will start going away. Don't focus on it, just keep doing postitive things and filling your free time with useful activities.
You will love the benefits this brings to your life, and yes, your kids will notice the change as well! They need to see that you and your wife love each other and no longer argue as much! This is truly a blessing!
neil
Thanks for the encouragement
Thank you for your encouragement, Neil. I went through your blog entries and pulled a lot of gems out of them. There are some interesting similarities in our stories. Your wife's family of origin sounds very similar to my wife's. It is really helpful to read about your journey for the last year and a half and helps put things in perspective for me in this early stage.
I keep finding myself thinking more and more, "this could possibly work" a opposed to "this is the craziest idea I have ever heard of." I attribute the feedback I am getting as well as the inspiration from your story and others for this subtle change in my thinking. I can't say enough how grateful I am for this website!
Thanks!
I think it is easier for some of us that are married to strong willed women! They are saints for seeing the inner man that is stuck in the hell that is the world of porn and the objectification of women and sticking with us until we come back to the real world. As you are discovering, they quickly fall back in love. We are lucky men.
The changes in your thought processes are the real milestones! It is empowering when you realize you are thinking differently! Isn't it just the
est thing?
I thank you for the feedback on my blog entries, They do not generate a lot of discussion, so I always wonder if they are helpful, or if I come across OK.
Well Sid,
everyone who arrives at karezza by a healthy route passes through the "this is the craziest idea I ever heard" phase. *chuckle* I certainly did. I remember my jaw dropping when I read my first Daoist lovemaking book by Mantak Chia (a man). But, believe me, I had tried so hard, with the full force of my "strong willed woman" brain to keep passion/orgasm in my life...with truly rocky results (that I had never, of course, connected with overtaxing the brains of myself and my partner with too much passion...), that I *knew* there was no "pay dirt" (in terms of lasting satisfaction) to be found on that trail...at least for me.
Then, after my early experiments, I was inspired and optimistic...but *still* of course thought I could "improve" on the Daoist ideas by sneaking passion back into the mix.
Not so. Never could.
So I was a much slower learner than you apparently are. Experiments are part of the learning curve here. Just know that you'll see your true options more clearly more quickly if you are consistent for longer periods of time in between those inevitable orgasms.
Also, don't fall for the trick of comparing orgasms to karezza lovemaking. Compare your ENTIRE LIFE between the two during the periods that you're consistent for several weeks. Remember, our limbic brains evolved to make fertilization our top priority. We are no different from other animals in this respect. So if you judge only by the highs, you'll mistake them for the gift. The gift, however, is true happiness...and a brain that can "settle" for a different kind of pleasure entirely and find it as delicious as orgasm.
Whereas the more you pursue conventional orgasm, the less satisfied you can feel due to temporary brain numbing neurochemical changes. Karezza is the opposite. And eventually, sex itself is no longer the focus. Life itself has become a source of pleasure, with sex but one more aspect of its pleasure.
No need to believe anything until you see it for yourself. But there's really very little to lose by experimenting...except some orgasms...and you can always make up for lost time if you decide you took a wrong turn.
Yo Sid....
This hit me like a ton a bricks. I feel that way right now after two days in a row of unmitigated casual sex. It feels like a step backward but I know how to get back to "balance" whereas before I didn't have a community of people trying to do this work and experimenting.
Thanks for your story...a concise and easy read...also very familiar to me.
Great to see other music fans on here too.
And good luck to you, too, Dano
I can't tell you how many times I did the same thing while I was learning all this. Just know that the cravings will pass and there's light at the end of the tunnel.
*big hug*
Still on the path
Marnia you are my heroine.
*big hug*
*blush*
Awwww shucks.
Day 7: More discoveries
Woke up this morning with a terrible case of Blue Balls. Yikes! Wonder what the heck I was dreaming about last nigh anyway. Can't remember a thing, but I'd certainly take a pass on this little side effect if I could.
Have made what I think is a profound discovery. I have been working for about a year on trying to first identify what my needs are and second learn ways to ask for what I need from my spouse and others. I have found that I was well schooled in the male role of blocking out my feelings and needs and toughing it out alone. Ask for directions? Are you kidding!!? Notwithstanding a good understanding of the problem, I haven't had a lot of success in either category.
Found yesterday that not only was I very clearly identifying my needs (attention and affection), but was suddenly very clear on how to ask for it as well. My wife and I have had a very hectic schedule for the past 3 days, and had little time together. To my amazement I found myself specifically asking her this morning before we rushed off to set aside some cuddle time with me this evening. While I am doing this I am thinking "this is not something that I would typically do
At the same time it also occurred to me that quite possibly I have been numbing or "stupifying" my brain with orgasms in the past. Yes, I've know intellectually what I need to do, but spending the energy and making the effort were a vague notion that never got any momentum before another jerk off session came around and out the window they flew.
I am really noticing a very different energy level in myself today. This can't be a coincidence!
Sorry about the
"balls." Has the discomfort passed?
If we pair-bonding mammals understood ourselves better, 'affection and attention' would be right at the top of our lists. It's very soothing. And, quite honestly, the men who figure this out and understand the biological reality behind it, make great relationship pilots.
So I don't know if you can blame your "maleness," or whether you were just educated in a misleading way. "Self-sufficiency" isn't a sensible goal for a brain that's set up for tribal life and pair-bonding.
That said, there's much we mammals can do even without a mate to connect with others and soothe our brains.
Blue balls
I think they are a natural part of the process of withdrawal. I don't think it's unusual in anyway to experience this and sad to say I'm used to it now whereas before I would rarely have blue balls. My first post on here was entitled "24 Hour Blue Balls." Keep up the good work man.
Yeah! Another couple
Yeah! Another couple practicing. It would be neat to take a tally of how many couples regularly sharing on this site have both people on board. I've started a thread here for that purpose: http://www.reuniting.info/node/4191
Great to see
you and your wife re-connecting Sid! Getting to the point where you understand that you can consciously choose to manage your sexual energy for the benefit of the relationship is the biggest hurdle – and you appear to be a quick study and have come to this level of self realization in a very short time. It took me some years to get to this point myself. Not always easy from within to see the monstrous effects that extreme endorphin cycling due to orgasm can have on us men. Most of us go for years so entrenched in the “natural” process of seeking and obtaining orgasms that the resulting mood swings, hangover effects, etc. are often seen as inherent traits of our personality – and not as the result of endorphin driven compulsive behaviors. That this extreme endorphin cycling causes the “disconnect” after orgasm. And most women react negatively when you disconnect. I have actually had my wife say that I acted like I did not want her anymore after I got what I wanted (my orgasm) from her and she felt like a “piece of meat” at times which did nothing for the intimacy in the relationship. I experimented as you are doing now and when I stopped having ejaculatory orgasms the changes in my outlook and personality were substantial enough my wife began actively encouraging me to maintain this non-orgasmic state. And even though this was a huge paradigm shift for me the changes that took place in my wife were even more profound. Knowing that I was saving all my energy for her and that I actively chose to intimately join with her over solo masturbation changed the “lens” through which she saw me. We began bonding in new and incredibly delicious ways and things just naturally flowed between us. And the improved intimacy drove my wife to want to “connect” more frequently and this led to more frequent and way more satisfying sex than we ever had in our lives. As Neil said the desire to masturbate will diminish over time and your wife will appreciate the deep level of commitment on your part – and more than likely return your investment many times over. It only remains for you to find the balance that works for you and your wife.
Appreciate Your Insight.
Virgil,
Nice post. I appreciate your insight and encouragement!
You Said it Well!
Great Post!
damn dude.
I think why I'm still single and not married at age 33 (almost 34) was to avoid all those symptoms you described before you "stopped having ejaculatory orgasms." Funny what a little honest truth telling can do to heal others and help them see themselves better. Thanks for this post.