First post - 30days
Dear all,
This is the first time I am posting to this forum, but it is not the first time I have come to this website, I use it very regularly and find it very useful, thanks so much for setting it up.
I understand its original purpose, and really appreciate the way it has become tolerant of issues that have arisen around porn addiction - and provided a real release from this intensely private issue.
Ok here goes!
I remember my first foray with porn was when i found it underneath my Dads bed, after that I discovered some videos which whilst mild in nature were quite hot stuff for my age (about 13 I think). From that point on I guess I masturbated allot. My Dad had a nervous breakdown when I was 12 and he wasn't quite the same afterwards... he suffered allot from ups and downs and would become highly agitated and then very depressed. He was sectioned a few times. I mention this because I have had to look at this issue, from this point I became very quiet (I was always shy) and nervous, but also the confidence concerning my Dad before this event (he was a very ebullient person) was kind of shattered with his behaviour afterwards. I have always found this difficult, and have a very tough time seeing him now (although he lives locally I have to force myself to visit him)
The masturbation was kind of an escape I guess, I have some memories of sneaking into my sisters room when she was younger (and I was also about this age) and touching her, I don't think there is anything wrong in this behaviour (it stopped pretty shortly after it started) in the sense that I saw no wrong in it at the time, its just this sexual feeling was so strong, and I can see now that I used it alot to forget. I remember some time after this, the masturbation increased, and I had alot of intensive sessions.
In school I was very restless, and my earlier good grades suffered as I progressed, I went on long walks in the country, and was distant alot of the time. I lacked the energy and vibrancy perhaps of others, although i was popular at school.
I then went to uni (somehow) and hit the bottle, I have had a long struggle with alcoholism (but mercifully short compared to others) and with that came visits to brothels, long sessions of drinking and watching porn (this was when the internet was taking off, and it was full of porn sites - not long videos but generally pictures and short videos - not like now!). To cut a long story short I spent much of my uni life in a drunken haze, in the end getting very serious and basically forced to do something about it before it killed me. So between then (25) and now (I am 30 now) I have attended AA and other support, and have had various lengths of sobriety (I am now 2.5yrs without a drink, previous to that 18mths).
It is now through that my behaviour around porn has become more problematic, not least because i thought it was what i did when i was drunk, sober - with all these feelings, i began to indulge which I found difficult at first.
Now it is compulsive, and I have come to realise this underlying issue that I have always had. Alcohol in a sense was my number before, now that it is gone, this is starkly exposed.
What is really cutting me up is a relationship I had with a beautiful girl (first proper relationship) she was in a sense perfect physically and mentally for me, and we had an intense sexual relationship, that energy which was pent up in me was released and I found sex and orgasm a tremendous thing. I had never had this before (only really hookers)
However porn began to creep back, I would stay late downstairs and look at porn, I cruised red light districts (not necessarily picking anybody up but just for 'the buzz', and phone chatlines etc.... Inevitably by GF found all this out, and began to realise that this was an issue for me. I also relapsed drinking and slept with somebody else, I couldn't live with the guilt (it was obvious anyway shortly after it happened) and I told her.
We got back together, but then the behaviours started again. It really is heartbreaking to me looking back at it. The trust essentially went, I remember after a lovely day I got a text from a 'sex phone service' which my GF saw - it was innocuous - it seems you cannot get rid of these texts coming if you have used these services - but it led to a big argument ruined the day.
Eventually it all ended.
When I look back now, I can see that we are so compatible sexually. It proves to me that even the most perfect women for me is after a while never enough. I had strange feelings of competitiveness and envy also in the relationship, and was always paranoid about her running off with some rich businessman. She admitted to some infidelity early on in her relationship (sex is very important to her) and eventually we split up.
Now that was a huge event, and I did use some of the energy positively - I have learnt alot from my recovery from alcoholism. I stopped smoking, started excercising and started eating better - all the things that my GF was moaning about when we split up. I am so stubborn... I only change when forced basically.
But since then I have looked very hard at this area of my life - which seems to be the issue I just cannot get rid of. Now on my own - the porn really has hit me quite hard, and I can spend long sessions on webcams and that kind of thing. I dont meet up with women - just masturbation.
To cut a long story short - now that I found this website the facts about dopamine, my 'addictive' nature, and my experiences in the relationship all started to make sense. In a way this is a relief - it is not all that I am a major loser! Or these thoughts / actions are all my own fault in a sense, although i must take responsibility for them - but there are reasons which did not help me.
Anyway, I tried a period of abstention from masturbation which is similar to this one. So I will talk about this one, I stopped masturbation about 30days ago, but I still go through periods of watching porn which is really painful when i come out of them. Also the tremendous energy which is unwielded (which seems to have not been released since I was in my late teens) is tremendously difficult to cope with. This energy it seems went largely into masturbation, and kind of 'drained' and sedated me.
Now I understand the other things that people do to satisfy this energy's demand to get out! Activities I just thought I couldn't be bothered with - start to look interesting - and I kind of regret that my talent for sport - which i didn't see through - now seems to be wasted - it all seems to have been wasted energy - a terrible waste really.
I am also quite worried, because I get permanently horny, and I just cannot get this energy out, I notice some definite improvements in how I approach women, but my motives are all over the place, still having this sexual connotation.
Losing the 'high' of masturbation - but still fantasising is doing me head in. I think I read an article about the fantasy being the issue, and then beyond that is why do I want to live in a fantasy world? Reality is intensely painful, and also in a sense intensely boring to somebody who is used to great highs (and lows) of dopamine.
I am determined to stick at it though, and try and unwire this association, to try and get a healthy balance of dopamine.
It is hard. I find myself going to nightclubs to try and get laid etc...
... I also find myself going camping in the woods...
it is all very confusing.
anyway i think that is quite enough!
thanks for letting me write.



Hello politik,
Hello politik,
Welcome to this web-site, and thanks for sharing your story. We have some things in common. I have also been addicted to masturbation and porn for many years, and still am. The fact that you benefitted from AA makes me wonder if you have checked out SLAA (Sex and Love Addicts Anonymous). Attending those meetings has been really helpful for me, even as a shy person who does not like to share. If you have not been already, I think you will feel understood there.
One of the things that I seem to be learning more about, in connection with the 12-step theme, is the underlying feeling of powerlessness, defeat, and failure I feel that seems to be what runs my addictive behaviors. I’ve tried many techniques and strategies for dealing with my issues, but nothing seems to cut so straight to the heart as embracing that feeling, and finding that it is not really as bad as I have thought (in some ways).
I appreciated what you said about how having a seemingly perfect girlfriend could not save you from your issues. I haven’t had that experience, but it was good to hear that, as it challenges my notions that such a situation would necessarily solve everything.
Thanks for being here. I have found it helpful to blog here (sporadically) about my experiences. I related as well to the challenges of not masturbating and feeling like I have too much energy, not knowing how to handle it or what to do with it, and the addiction living on in a fantasy world. I would challenge though the notion that reality is boring. I know it can seem that way when I am used to fantasy, but my experiences of truly connecting with life and others actually tells me that reality is far better than fantasy, when I can get there.
Take care,
Harmony
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Hi Harmony,
Thanks for your reply, I found it very helpfull.
If you are familiar with the 12-step stuff, this is the most stubborn 'defect' that I have had to look at. But from it seem to stem alot of negative emotions. For example 'lust' seems to swing over into wanting peoples attention all the time, being 'needy', having a certain 'aura' of making women uncomftorble etc... it is also connected with Greed - with that is envy that I dont seem to be able to connect to people like others - which triggers 'I need to undermine other people' to feel better... and on and on and on!
I have had a on and off week - it is when I kind of am struggiling with something - I get up late - struggle to get into work etc... so this has been a pain. However I have had an underlying feeling that I am endowed with more 'power' suddenly, power over my emotions. It seems that being addicted to the 'fantasy' of porn and physical effect of masturbation affected my ability to connect with my 'true self / god / whatever you want to call it" which in turn affects my entire ability to practice a spiritual path - which essentialy is what AA is - which is really the only road I have ever found that has worked.
I heard it said once that there is one pray in the Big Book of AA on fear, and three on sex! This should really tell us something.
I have taken up Guitair lessons, been much more chilled, and there seems to be a better aura in the office I am working. I am on holiday this week - and this can often be an exhausting affair, spending long periods of time and money in front of the computer, and being driven to the beach and nightclubs for all the wrong reasons. Now I feel I have a real chance to look after myself, not be driven by this urge and be nice to myself! Get off this dopamine high.
On the other side I did start smoking again at the begining of the week, and also drinking quite a bit of coffee! But it almost feels that the 'animal brain' has lost a battle - this stuff now feels doable.
I hope that all makes sense.
I have always had some resistence to going to SLAA - and prefer to deal with it via AA - but this is only my pride I think! I probably would benifit from it, but I prefer to stick to one fellowship. There are rumours of Bill Wilson being a womaniser, and reading between the lines I think it is one of those not talked about issues.
Anyhow I am glad I have finally looked at it, and now I can see the harm I did in my relationship with that girl. Doing this stuff has made it slightly easier to deal with it, but I still have much regret. I feel however that I can project a feeling of love for her more now, rather than getting the breakup thing all mixed up with the lust (I can and did go through a period of fantasy imagining her having sex with other men etc... which made me feel terrible afterwards)
She was a lovely women, and still is (we are still in the same town!) I can see what she said now that porn is essentially being unfaithfull - I could never see it - blind to it - even though I had a feeling that it was wrong, I never could seem to escape.
Its a real rollercoaster, and one day at a time I hope I can continue to be aware enough to ask for it to be dealt with. Wow - supposed only to be a short post!
Well, you should feel
right at home here.
I'm sorry you guys are having such a rough time. SLAA may be the ticket, Politik. (Congratulations on overcoming your alcoholism challenge BTW. Bravo!)
Have you checked out the wiki on porn? http://www.reuniting.info/wiki#porn There might be some things you haven't tried yet...such as the indirect methods of meditation and hypnosis. Remember, you are indeed working with a powerful program. Not only that, it appears that pair bonders pair bond because their reward circuitry is supersensitive. That is, mating frenzy sets up a "binge mentality" toward a beloved (by numbing the pleasure center in a way that makes more stimulating a TOP PRIORITY). This worked OK, when opportunities for dalliances weren't that plentiful.
In contrast, promiscuous mammals have more receptors that give them feelings of "completion."
Our version of the mating program serves our genes...but leaves us terribly vulnerable to binges and habituation...not just with real mates, but with the flood of synthetic ones (and the fantasies we can spin with our large neo-cortexes).
All this is a long way of saying that you may just have to accept (as I did
) that your brain is supersensitive, requires careful management to return to balance, and requires careful management going forward. In other words, don't strive for "normal" as you imagine it to be. Instead learn to use your heightened sensitivity in your favor by experimenting, perhaps, with something like karezza when you have a partner. Otherwise, the urge to binge and the habituation dramas will continue.
Ever heard the story of how some hunters catch monkeys? They put a banana in a bottle with a narrow neck. The monkey can't grab it and get his hand out...but he won't let go of that banana...even when the hunters come to dispatch him.
Maybe make up your mind that you're gonna let go of the banana (the ideal of wild, unending orgasms with a gorgeous girl). That step will open up other options, which, as you can see from people's descriptions of karezza (homepage), can be quite delicious and which also stabilize relationships better, offering lots more of the soothing affection and close, trusted companionship that benefits psychological and physical health.
And don't worry about the years wasted. They weren't a waste if they teach you what you, personally, need to know to be happy. Blog if you like.
Be patient and gentle with yourself.
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Hi Marnia,
Thankyou for your reply, what you say makes much sense.
This may be unimportant but we are both of fairly 'petite' build, andronite I think they call it or something like that, I read somewhere that therefore our nervous system dominates our body more making us more sensitive and prone to emotional reactions.
Additionally my GF had to shave regulary (legs etc), and had quite high testostorone, I also am very hairy etc...
which I think indicates this.
What you say about sensitivity makes complete sense for a whole bunch of other reasons, but I wont go into them here, for even through this is an anonymous forum, it feels a little bit like talking behind her back.
Basically we were like two sticks of dynamite! There was other deeper aspects to our relationship, we often after periods of tramua went through very caring, cuddling and periods of almost meditation together, but unfortunately we were soon back to 'high purusing' behaviours. My part was my addiction to porn, complicated by the low depressive behaviour that this seemed to produce - which triggered off a whole bunch of other incidents. But at least I can see the story a bit fuller now.
I was in town the other day, and saw somebody with a t-shirt which said "There are two sides to every story" - I think this was a wake up call to say - yes you were a real problem! but she also had a story to tell! I would have really liked to have tried the kazaa stuff with her, I think it would be really powerfull. Why dont they teach this stuff at school? It is so intuituvely right!
I guess now I have this fear that I wont meet a women with the emotional intelligence like she had to try this stuff out... but we shall see I guess.
thanks again
Well, who knows?
Maybe you two will try again one day. There's obviously a deep connection between you, and if you tell her what you've learned (once you feel in control), she may be open to trying again. We're all entitled to forgiveness. Mistakes are just mistakes.
I read the same story about Bill Wilson in a biography, bless his heart. My sense is that a lot of addicts would make even more progress if they got the sexual piece in balance first. But then, what addict can have a relationship with anything but his addiction? So there's a chicken-and-egg question there.
*big hug*