♥wow its been a while

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since I last posted here. I've been reading some of my older posts and only now several years later (and wiser hopefully) can I appreciate all the great responses from Marnia and others. So what have I learned since then ?

Well it seems that the problem with sex as with most of what is wrong with the world today is...men, :) and "I one of their kind that relishes all as sharply, passion as they" have to accept that I have played a role in it. Our sex and lovemaking ultimately reflects our understanding of who we are, how we relate to each other and ultimately how our relations reflect our spiritual maturity. Ultimately we are all paying the price in the bedroom for spiritual cowardice at the highest institutions of religion, that have almost universally decreed that life is the experience of man, the experience of being his conquest or the potential benefits to mankind of man at peace with himself. Ultimately the theme in all of it is that man is the actor.

If reading this site does nothing else for you it will certainly bring to your awareness the negative consequences of the pleasures of sex if used without understanding. At the extreme negative end we have masturbation that can be "damming" for your physical and spiritual health. As we move closer to zero on the negative scale we have rough sex with the man penetrating the woman with vigor and force to orgasm. Closest to zero we have slow "love-making" which is more spiritual and sensitive but still involves the man directing the action. Which brings us to zero and the neutral path which I believe is what karezza is, subsuming the physical action of the act for a higher unity and connection.

Now why do I lay these acts on a scale this way ? I do so to distinguish and to show that the quest for sexual gratification can dam you by your own hand but also that the sex act can and does in the way we are most familiar with performing it dam the woman. Now this is where I think what I say may be somewhat controversial on this forum. When a man has sex with a woman and is the actor, the act will always be liberating for him and damming for her regardless of vigor and orgasms. All the energy that he uses to release his pleasure has to go somewhere and that somewhere is to "lock" her energy pathways which are meant to flow downwards but now are stuck. So whereas his orgasm clears his energy pathways, her orgasm (if she has one) only serves to lock even tighter into her being the energy pathways which are now pressured in the opposite direction.

So where can we go from zero ? Is it possible that there is a positive path of sex in which the woman is exclusively the actor ? How can this be ? It is in the nature of our instruments that allows and requires that the woman should be the actor, in other words "woman on top" :) This is the only way that the action will keep both men and women on the positive side of the scale. The man allows the woman to control the pace and so sex can be healing for her as well as her channels stay open. I think this is what the Hebrew Lilith understood when she refused to be under adam during sex (missionary) and when he refused she had the sense to leave him knowing full well what that would mean for her. She wanted to have sex in a position of equality (with her on top) but he assumed it was him being subservient to her and he lost her.

Hi Bamazi - Actually I

Hi Bamazi -

Actually I believe that the basic dynamic of man as active and woman as receptive is appropriate even in karezza, but that in Karezza the couple do so in the service of a different energetic flow - one that is distinctly centripetal, ie, not explosive. We could call the centripetal force feminine, because it moves upwards and inwards rather than down and out. The point here is not to discharge energy, but to utilize it and transform it for other means, as it nourishes the entire system. The entire system can only be nourished if the energy centers of the chackras open up, and rarely do they do so outside of the context of Love. This is so because while our lower chackras relating to procreation do not need security per se to activate (a woman can become pregnant even through rape, for example), the other centers do need a loving condition to open.

Viktor Schauberger pointed out long ago that it would be the demise of mankind that we had learned how to unleash the powers of nature only through the myopic view of an understanding of centrifugal flows. He had the audacity to tell Hitler that the reich would fall within ten years because of the inability of Hitler (or anyone else) to realize the importance of centripital flows. He described the centrifugal flow as being that part of nature that breaks down, and the centripital flow as that which builds up.

In my opinion there is room for active and receptive within the framework of an alignment with centripital flow in lovemaking, ie, activating the circuit of bioenergy latent in the chackra system.

Fascinating as always, Hotspring

and reminiscent of the discussion of how mankind needs to master "yin" (absorbing) energy, as well as "yang" (pushing) energy. A true master knows both and can apparently stop a bullet with his hand. Anyone here ever read The Magus of Java? Intriguing book.

Hi hotspring

I think we can say that the centripetal energy flow act that the couple engages in called Karezza is feminine and in realizing that and for the paradigm to shift of what the best lovemaking is like women need to take the reins. When I say active I mean that this force is innate and intuitive to you (women) and in that position it is in your power to educate and nurture this force in the man. In the opposite direction yes the centripetal energy is being circulated but in this position the man expends energy to hold back his natural centrifugal inclination. And this is what defines the experience, the man trying to hold back one while nurturing the other when it could be the woman nurturing the other and controlling the pace intuitively to sublimate the energy.

But yes, there can be any different number of combinations that could even not include touch at all if the couple has the right intent and are adept to each other. However for the large majority of people who have even been together even for decades, they can soon find out through this how little they know their partner. This re-education can better be transitioned to for the man with the woman showing "this is what I need" rather than putting the man in a position of "this is who (or how) you should be."

This reminds me

of an idea I read in the anonymously written book "Meditations on the Tarot"- the author says that eventually humanity will discover an energy source that is centripetal in nature rather than centrifugal; gasoline explosions in a motor being centifugal. He imagines a centripetal energy source to be more like the blooming of a tree. So it seems that with karezza humanity is already getting in touch with centripetal energy inwardly, and a small number of people are recognizing that it is superior to the centrifugal explosions of orgasm.