Sex with orgasm but without ejaculation?

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I know this place is big on Karezza, which is sex without orgasm (for the male), or at least without orgasm being the main goal, but what about having an orgasm without ejaculation?

It seems to me that when people talk of the benefits of karezza, for men, both in and outside of the bedroom, it's always seen as the "no orgasm" part that's linked to these benefits. But recently I've stumbled upon the fact that orgasm and ejaculation are two separate things and it's got me thinking that maybe it's the "no ejaculation" part of karezza that's bringing about these benefits for men (not saying that not ejaculating is the only thing that distinguishes Karezza practices from everything else, but it's definetly seen as a big part of it)

In this article the woman talks about it and the benefits she brings up seems to mirror that of commonly reported karezza benefits.

I'm curious as to what you all think of this "male orgasm without ejaculation" thing.

P.S- Here's a better article in terms of "guides" for having these orgasms without ejaculation.

https://www.nateliason.com/multiple-orgasms-men/

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it's possible but it's difficult and...

I've tried to learn it once upon a time, many years ago.

I found it difficult to learn.

And I'm not sure that it has merit in my world nowadays, because I love sex without orgasm. I don't have a lot of interest anymore in orgasms.

There is a study of a guy who could do it pretty much anytime, and he masturbated and had three orgasms while they monitored his blood and they found that prolactin did not go up with him, which is always does in a "standard" orgasm...

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Uwe_Hartmann/publication/11390722_A...

In several studies we have recently demonstrated that orgasm induces prolactin secretion in healthy males and females. This suggests that prolactin may form a feedback regulator of the refractory period following orgasm. To examine this position we investigated the prolactin response of a healthy multi-orgasmic male subject. Blood was drawn continuously during masturbation-induced orgasm. The prolactin response of the case-subject was compared with that of nine healthy adult men with a normal refractory period. The case-subject showed no prolactin response to three orgasms. Data from this multi-orgasmic subject support the hypothesized role of plasma prolactin in contributing to sexual-satiation mechanisms. 

If the practice works for you

and doesn't cause disharmony in your relationship in the days following a climax, then go for it.

That said, I don't think that avoiding semen loss via ejaculation explains all of the benefits of sex without orgasm. I suspect that for some people the neurochemical "ripples" that accompany climax cause fallout, even if ejaculation is avoided.

Basically, what matters is your experience in your laboratory. Let us know what you observe.

Hey hey

Sorry for the super late reply.

From what I've read there are multiple kinds of orgasms. Most common with males is the orgasm>ejaculation one. I think I read this from Mantak Chia, where that "fallout" happens because with that kind of orgasm, it's an outward flowing orgasm where energy is flowing out of the body. And same with the females, where the most common clitoral orgasms is an outward energy flowing as opposed to the other kinds of orgasms, achievable by boy and girl, where the energy is flowing inward, hence maybe mitigating those post-climax fallouts.

Sorry for the woowoo-ness haha. I've yet to even have conventional sex yet, so I've yet to even attempt this yet. I'd just recently discovered this and the benefits I've seen reported mirror the benefits often reported with karezza, which made me curious about how the two may relate. Obviously there's a lot more to karezza than the "no orgasm" aspect, but it got me thinking that maybe it's not the orgasm that causes these reported hangovers, but the kind of orgasm that's occurring...

A book by Chia

was the first I ever read about channeling sexual energy. It fueled my earliest (bumbling) experiments.

You may find this article interesting, as it contrasts his later approach with karezza: https://www.reuniting.info/wisdom/neotaoism_and_karezza

I also once had an interesting discussion with a man who was at Chia's retreat center in Thailand when his (now ex) wife was screaming at him for engaging in an affair with a young girl in the local village. I think the rules for sex with the goal of harmonious relationships may be a bit different from the rules for sex with Chia's goals.

But I still say that what matters is what you experience in your laboratory...when it's time.

A bit of the same

Of course there’s nothing wrong with orgasm without ejaculation, in fact there’s nothing wrong with orgasm with ejaculation. It all depends on what you're wanting to get out of the experience, short run and long run. For me the karezza approach to sex is about focusing on the moment, the connection with self and ones partner while leaving goals behind. I get wanting the pleasure of orgasm without the fallout of ejaculation, (I want all the pleasure I can get) but its a bit of the same in my experience, it still holds the intention of the goal, the release. Kind of like switching from sugar to honey to satisfy ones sweet tooth when you discover sugar’s not so good, which I actually do with sugar, although I prefer maple syrup. Karezza is simply a different focus all together, a much subtler experience. For me, fuller, deeper and richer.

Faking It

For a while now, I've enjoyed doing my best imitation of a porn star having an orgasm. No ejaculation, often no erection, no fantasy, lots of rapid abdominal contractions and thrashing about. It's a solo practice I find very satisfying.
Love y'all

Ha ha!

I recently listed to a podcast series in which it was revealed that male porn stars can't perform with other hot stars ... without using porn to get aroused first. "The Butterfly Effect" by Jon Ronson, if you're interested.