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Would cannabis smoking interfere with a reboot from porn use? I'm on day 6 off of porn, masturbated once since then, today, without porn or fantasizing. Which, much to my surprise, was much more pleasurable than masturbation with porn use. Trying to go without orgasm completely, but heavy resistance exercise tends to make this close to impossible for me (going to try light exercise instead and see if I can manage from here on out). ...I used to smoke cannabis heavily (haven't for about 2 weeks), but I'm starting to realize the only reason I was probably addicted to it was probably because of my porn use. From what I've read, unlike most drugs, cannabis doesn't affect dopamine (which is perhaps why it lacks the physically addictive quality). So, other than the problem of intoxication making you do things you might not do sober, is there any problems with occasional use (such as once a week)? As far as getting my dopamine levels healthy again is concerned?

Guys have

rebooted while using occasionally.

Recent research shows cannabis has long term effects on the brain. Should I ask Gary to see if he can dig it up?

Is this it?

Adolescent marijuana use leaves lasting mental deficits
August 27th, 2012 in Psychology & Psychiatry


The persistent, dependent use of marijuana before age 18 has been shown to cause lasting harm to a person's intelligence, attention and memory, according to an international research team.

Among a long-range study cohort of more than 1,000 New Zealanders, individuals who started using cannabis in adolescence and used it for years afterward showed an average decline in IQ of 8 points when their age 13 and age 38 IQ tests were compared. Quitting pot did not appear to reverse the loss either, said lead researcher Madeline Meier, a post-doctoral researcher at Duke University. The results appear online Aug. 27 in PNAS.

The key variable in this is the age of onset for marijuana use and the brain's development, Meier said. Study subjects who didn't take up pot until they were adults with fully-formed brains did not show similar mental declines. Before age 18, however, the brain is still being organized and remodeled to become more efficient, she said, and may be more vulnerable to damage from drugs.

"Marijuana is not harmless, particularly for adolescents," said Meier, who produced this finding from the long term Dunedin Multidisciplinary Health and Development Study. The study has followed a group of 1,037 children born in 1972-73 in Dunedin, New Zealand from birth to age 38 and is led by Terrie Moffitt and Avshalom Caspi, psychologists who hold dual appointments at Duke and the Institute of Psychiatry at King's College London.

About 5 percent of the study group were considered marijuana-dependent, or were using more than once a week before age 18. A dependent user is one who keeps using despite significant health, social or family problems.

At age 38, all of the study participants were given a battery of psychological tests to assess memory, processing speed, reasoning and visual processing. The people who used pot persistently as teens scored significantly worse on most of the tests. Friends and relatives routinely interviewed as part of the study were more likely to report that the persistent cannabis users had attention and memory problems such as losing focus and forgetting to do tasks.

The decline in IQ among persistent cannabis users could not be explained by alcohol or other drug use or by having less education, Moffitt said.

While 8 IQ points may not sound like a lot on a scale where 100 is the mean, a loss from an IQ of 100 to 92 represents a drop from being in the 50th percentile to being in the 29th, Meier said. Higher IQ correlates with higher education and income, better health and a longer life, she said. "Somebody who loses 8 IQ points as an adolescent may be disadvantaged compared to their same-age peers for years to come," Meier said.

Laurence Steinberg, a Temple University psychologist who was not involved in the research, said this study is among the first to distinguish between cognitive problems the person might have had before taking up marijuana, and those that were apparently caused by the drug. This is consistent with what has been found in animal studies, Steinberg added, but it has been difficult to measure in humans.

Animal studies involving nicotine, alcohol and cocaine have shown that chronic exposures before the brain is fully developed can lead to more dependence and long-term changes in the brain. "This study points to adolescence as a time of heightened vulnerability," Steinberg said. "The findings are pretty clear that it is not simply chronic use that causes deficits, but chronic use with adolescent onset."

What isn't possible to know from this study is what a safer age for persistent use might be, or what dosage level causes the damage, Meier said. After many years of decline among US teens, daily marijuana use has been seen to increase slightly in the last few years, she added. Last year, for the first time, US teens were more likely to be smoking pot than tobacco.

"The simple message is that substance use is not healthy for kids," Avshalom Caspi said via email from London. "That's true for tobacco, alcohol, and apparently for cannabis."

More information: "Persistent Cannabis Users Show Neuropsychological Decline From Childhood to Midlife," Madeline H. Meier, Avshalom Caspi, et al. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Online Early Edition, Monday, Aug. 27, 2012.

Provided by Duke University

"Study: Adolescent marijuana use leaves lasting mental deficits." August 27th, 2012. http://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-08-adolescent-pot-mental-deficits.html
 

Ah, well this wouldn't apply

Ah, well this wouldn't apply to me. Luckily, I didn't experiment with soft drugs until I was 22. Chronic stress and anxiety probably had a much worse effect on my brain in my teenage years (amplified by porn use, I'm sure). This is before I discovered the importance of regular exercise and proper nutrition (fish oil supplementation, in particular, has been a complete life changer for me).

What kinds of effects do fish

What kinds of effects do fish oil supplements have on you? I am curious about vitamins and nutrition since I've stopped PMOing.

Also, I regularly smoke marijuana and have wondered if it had an effect on my reboot but I also didn't start smoking until I was 22. I'm in a long flatline right now but have accepted it as necessary. I wondered if marijuana might have an effect on the length of my flatline. I guess a good question would be if anyone has recovered who used marijuana regularly during their reboot? PMOing and marijuana use were never related behaviors for me so PMOing is not a temptation for me when I do smoke. For a while when I was experiencing mood swings and depression I thought marijuana might be the culprit for my long flatline, but I think it would have happened either way. I do see a lot of the positive effects of abstaining from PMO (especially the clarity of mind, which is only really affected by marijuana when I am under the influence). I don't feel dependent on marijuana, I just like it. For me it's not a compulsive or physically addictive behavior like PMOing was. I think these recovery accounts could be improved if everyone would disclose what they use (like alcohol or drugs) and how often just to see if there are any correlations between drug use and length of recovery.

Well, for me, I've always had

Well, for me, I've always had huge social anxiety and shyness problems. Even before porn was involved. I'd say there was even a point where I had bi-polar tendencies (all these mental problems run in the family). I see it as partially genetics and partially nutritional deficiencies. Since I've been on a whole-food derived multivitiman and b-complex and at least 1 gram of EPA fish oil I've never had mental problems again. Combine that with exercise and eating the right foods and I'm always calm and in complete control. They're all pieces of the puzzle, I'd say. But as far as fish oil, in particular and its mood effects. I believe its been shown to double the amount of serotonin in the brain. You may want to check out this study:

http://www.scicompdf.se/adhd/jazayeri_2008.pdf

While these changes have put me in control of my life, they didn't magically make me an outgoing person. And I'm starting to think that porn use is the final barrier in my way. As far as brands, I'd recommend Nordic Naturals and Minami Nutrition. The high EPA ones seem to work better. I take 500mgs in the morning and 500mgs at night, anything past a gram, supposedly, carries no additional benefits.

I also smoke simply because I enjoy it. I'm an artistic type and music appreciation and smoking go hand in hand.

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While 8 IQ points may not sound like a lot on a scale where 100 is the mean, a loss from an IQ of 100 to 92 represents a drop from being in the 50th percentile to being in the 29th, Meier said. Higher IQ correlates with higher education and income, better health and a longer life, she said. "Somebody who loses 8 IQ points as an adolescent may be disadvantaged compared to their same-age peers for years to come," Meier said.

I would have to agree that weed does slow down your mind a lot. I feel like I forget things but remember important things. When I'm off it, I don't forget anything.

"The key variable in this is the age of onset for marijuana use and the brain's development, Meier said. Study subjects who didn't take up pot until they were adults with fully-formed brains did not show similar mental declines. Before age 18, however, the brain is still being organized and remodeled to become more efficient, she said, and may be more vulnerable to damage from drugs."

"About 5 percent of the study group were considered marijuana-dependent, or were using more than once a week before age 18. A dependent user is one who keeps using despite significant health, social or family problems."

That's sad to see kids losing their ability to think.

On a positive note, I would say weed shouldn't hinder your reboot if your over 18. Even though I feel the flat line, I feel the drive to keep going. I know I'm always thinking about women. So relax and try not to smoke too much. lol.

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Hey man. Try just smiling at a girl. Any girl you see you like, just smile and you might feel something going on down there.

So, would it be more

So, would it be more problematic to progress to break on smoking cannabis or to break on masturbation (without porn or fantasy)? Masturbation (without porn or fantasy) didn't seem to negatively affect my view of life the way porn use does, but it still significantly drained my energy in a similar way.

Depends on if you're hooked

If you have an addiction to porn that's causing ED, you really want to give orgasm a rest for a bit if you can. Seems to help most guys' brains reboot.

But everyone's different. Also can  depend on when you started heavy use of highspeed porn.

I've been using porn since

I've been using porn since puberty, basically. 26 now. I've had points where I was able to go weeks without it, furthest I made it was a month (loved the way I felt when I was actually able to get that far). My sexual health seems decent with or without porn use (I only used it once every 3 days or so when I did). To me, the negative side of using it is how it affects me, socially. More a psychological problem than a physical one. ...I wouldn't say that the addiction is that strong, its just habit, since I've been doing it so long. Having the orgasm is more important to me than using the porn. But, although it tends to make me less irritable and aggressive...I just don't like the way orgasm, in general, lowers my energy and motivation to seek a real partner. It seems like a waste, since its not with an actual woman. But I tend to start to feel a bit deprived after a bout a week without. I figure, if I smoke when these feelings arise, I may be able to prolong how long I go without orgasm, perhaps. And lower any irritability in a less draining way.