Interview of Diana Richardson

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There are no words to describe how much I love this interview (thank you, Marnia!).

I also think it's wonderful because even if you are a single woman, waiting for your perfect karezza partner, she teaches you a way to open your body up and get in touch with it and therefore, you will be ready when the time comes.

And if a woman has become closed off from sex and her body, to have this knowledge about our breasts and how important they are to our sexuality could be absolutely life-changing (it has been for me!).


~Be present when you are with people. Breathe deeply and listen not only with your ears but more importantly with your heart~~


Do you think we could put this in Karezza Korner so it is easily found? (for me, ha!)


~Be present when you are with people. Breathe deeply and listen not only with your ears but more importantly with your heart~~

Inner Body Awareness

When Diana was talking about bring attention to the breasts, Eva-Marie kept saying, "Okay, so what do I do?" This made me smile. My mind is like that too.

I'm a guy so this particular exercise is not for me, but this reminded me of trying to explain / understand how to be present or how to meditate. Words truly fail when trying to describe it and the only way to really know it is to experience it. Diana is talking about being present and giving attention, this is beyond the realm of thinking and doing.

I was glad to see that Eva-Marie understood it once she thought of it like being with a baby. You can't really talk with or interact with an infant, but you can just be there and be present and in a sense it does feel like a "giving" to be present for someone -- even though you are not doing anything.

Eckhart Tolle speaks of Inner Body awareness in The Power of Now [Amazon]. He teaches it as a way to bring yourself to a state of presence (into the now) as opposed to the normal state of being absorbed in thinking / the mind.

The way that I was first able to feel Inner Body awareness might also be helpful for women wanting to know how to bring attention to the breasts -- to feel them from the inside.

Close your eyes and hold your hand up in front of you. Notice how you can feel where it is even without seeing it. Move it around slowly and you can still feel where it is. This is such a simple thing, but it's something that we never bother to become aware of. If you couldn't feel the "aliveness" of your own body then you wouldn't know where it was if you couldn't see it. Eventually you can become aware of all parts of your body and of your body as a whole.

Here is an excerpt from The Power of Now about the Inner Body:

The body that you can see and touch cannot take you into Being. But that visible and tangible body is only an outer shell, or rather a limited and distorted perception of a deeper reality. In your natural state of connectedness with Being, this deeper reality can be felt every moment as the invisible inner body, the animating presence within you. So to "inhabit the body' is to feel the body from within, to feel the life inside the body and thereby come to know that you are beyond the outer form.

You are cut off from Being as long as your mind takes up all your attention. When this happens - and it happens continuously for most people - you are not in your body. The mind absorbs all your consciousness and transforms it into mind stuff. You cannot stop thinking. Compulsive thinking has become a collective disease. Your whole sense of who you are is then derived from mind activity. Your identity, as it is no longer rooted in Being, becomes a vulnerable and ever-needy mental construct, which creates fear as the predominant underlying emotion. The one thing that truly matters is then missing from your life: awareness of your deeper self - your invisible and indestructible reality.

To become conscious of Being, you need to reclaim consciousness from the mind. This is one of the most essential tasks on your spiritual journey. It will free vast amounts of consciousness that previously had been trapped in useless and compulsive thinking. A very effective way of doing this is simply to take the focus of your atten- tion away from thinking and direct it into the body, where Being can be felt in the first instance as the invisible energy field that gives life to what you perceive as the physical body.

You may find it helpful to close your eyes for this practice. Later on, when "being in the body' has become natural and easy, this will no longer be necessary. Direct your attention into the body. Feel it from within. Is it alive? Is there life in your hands, arms, legs, and feet - in your abdomen, your chest? Can you feel the subtle energy field that pervades the entire body and gives vibrant life to every organ and every cell? Can you feel it simultaneously in all parts of the body as a single field of energy? Keep focusing on the feeling of your inner body for a few moments. Do not start to think about it. Feel it. The more attention you give it, the clearer and stronger this feeling will become. It will feel as if every cell is becoming more alive, and if you have a strong visual sense, you may get an image of your body becoming luminous. Although such an image can help you temporarily, pay more attention to the feeling than to any image that may arise. An image, no matter how beautiful or powerful, is already defined in form, so there is less scope for penetrating more deeply.

The feeling of your inner body is formless, limitless, and unfathomable. You can always go into it more deeply. If you cannot feel very much at this stage, pay attention to whatever you can feel. Perhaps there is just a slight tingling in your hands or feet. That's good enough for the moment. Just focus on the feeling. Your body is coming alive. Later, we will practice some more. Please open your eyes now, but keep some attention in the inner energy field of the body even as you look around the room. The inner body lies at the threshold between your form identity and your essence identity, your true nature. Never lose touch with it.

Eva-Maria Zurhorst

Doesn't the interviewer (Eva-Maria Zurhorst) look like Juliette Binoche? Has anyone read Zurhorst's book "Love Yourself And It Doesn’t Matter Who You Marry"?


She's beautiful! And no, I haven't read any of her books, have you, Jesse? I want to, though~~I liked her personality and I'd probably love her books.


~Be present when you are with people. Breathe deeply and listen not only with your ears but more importantly with your heart~~

I hope this will be inspirational.

I think this video is just fantastic.

I've captured it and am taking it with me when Nancy and I go off next week for 5 days to a Northern California coastal town to celebrate our 20th wedding anniversary. I'm hoping that I can convince Nancy to watch it with me. I'm going to offer her a back and shoulder massage (her favorite) for the whole video if she will watch it.

All my previous efforts to get her to read Richardson's books have been for naught. She is just too busy and too exhausted at night to ever read anything.

I think this video will really speak to her and am hopeful that it piques her interest in a way that I haven't been able to do myself.

Wish me luck gang!


Perhaps the most important thing we can undertake toward the reduction of fear is to make it easier for people to accept themselves, to like themselves.
- Bonaro W. Overstreet

Thanks Marnia

I enjoyed this video very much too. Good stuff to share.

I first read about the "paying attention to the breasts" meditation long ago. It's in Osho's "Book of the Secrets". Since this book contains 112 techniques, he made a comment about this particular one saying that it is one of the very few techniques designed for women. Most (perhaps all?) of the other techniques in the 'Book of the Secrets" were designed for men. He mentioned that if men take an interest in this particular technique that they should focus on the root of the penis. That's where our energy is positive. I find focusing on this part of my body very relaxing and enlivening. Perhaps it is something we men could "do" while we wait for our partner to be ready.

Just a thought. Thanks for posting a link to this video.



wonderful interview

The first link worked for me, and like Rachel said, it's great for those of us in between partners who aren't ready to connect with a new one yet. But as far as the part about giving attention to the breasts, and the subsequent question, "What do I do?" I was appreciative that she didn't avoid the question and didn't give the interviewer the typical non-dual lecture about being and not doing. In my mind, she responded in the questioner's own language and actually did tell her what to "do" which was focusing attention in the area, examples of how and when that could be done, and then the suggestion of the more physical massage. She actually answered the question when it was asked and that was one of the most valuable parts of the whole interview for me.