[quote=rayjay]if you just leave things open-ended, with no goal or agenda if you will, women don't cotton to that very well. ... the no agenda approach will likely be seen as wishy-washiness as they will expect the man to be in charge and do nearly everything.[/quote]This woman I'm with; her attitude is something like, "If I'm going to go to all the trouble of letting a man into my life, my personal space, my house, my bed, my body; I want to be fucked good and I want to cum. I love myself just fine. Don't bring your need to me."
Having said all that, I'm liking the no agenda approach. I must hold a strong attitude of non-attachment (good practice). If it goes nowhere, that's ok. Sometimes we get it. We connect and it works fine....so fine, I'm gonna see this through.