Will qutting masturbation make me more handsome???

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I am a 17 year old male. I noticed that a lot of the guys my age look like men with sculpted faces and big manly jaws. 90% of the teenagers my age have big faces, although I have a small man with a very weak small mandible/jaw. I am thinking my hardcore masturbation over the last 5 years may have stunted the growth of my jaw/face due to lower testosterone, as we all know testosterone levels remain low after masturbation, and increase after 7 days, maybe me masturbating every day allowed my testosterone to stay low and not fully develop the size of my jaw/face. The reason I say this is because I know all teens masturbate, and that even most of the guys I am talking about with huge jaws did, but the question is, what if they already had higher levels to start with and masturbation did not affect them as compared to me when maybe I needed all the testosterone I could get to get to their level, and I ruined this with masturbation? I know the face continues to fill out until age 24-25, but I really dont think I'm going to make it to the normal face/jaw level. Many girls reject me because my face looks weak, my chin is small, my jaw is small, etc. I am sick of being rejected all the time by girls, I am getting depressed. I need to achieve a normal face, will abstinence from masturbation allow more testosterone in my body and allow me to get a bigger jaw in the coming years?

Here is a picture of the average 17 year old guy notice the normal size jaw/face:

http://www.bollyn.com/public/Roger_Holyfield.jpg

Here is a picture of what my face kinda looks like:

http://www.ojrd.com/content/figures/1750-1172-1-26-1.jpg

You can notice a huge difference in the growth of the face, could my face have developed like this due to excessive masturbation? Will stopping allow me to catch up?

I'm tempted to say yes,

but I'll be honest.
The answer is that masturbation appears to have little or no effect on testosterone levels. Lots of myths out there. You can read the actual science with my comments here:
What's the connection between orgasm and testosterone levels?
http://yourbrainonporn.com/whats-the-connection-between-orgasm-and-testo...

That said, some guys think their faces clear up when they stop porn/masturbation. And many men claim that women become more attracted to them when the slow down on masturbation.

Blame you parents, that's always a good option.

Well said!

As Schwarzenegger says for those wanting great genetics, there's one solution - choose your parents wisely! Smile

"Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." - Bruce Lee
This quote is what it's all about!

I think

the second face looks far better aesthetically-

I am happy you are looking into giving up masturbation- I first gave it up when I was 17 and threw out my porno mags- I just wish I knew then the science of how PMO correlates with ED, a problem I have had, connected for me with performance anxiety- I'm now 36- I have what people have told me is a fashion model face but have not done well with women for the above mentioned reasons- but now from what I've learned on this site I have growing confidence- I wish you the very best.

Dude, guys often make the

Dude, guys often make the mistake of thinking that women are all about looks in the same way as guys are. Fortunately for us, they are not. Think of it more like this. There's all sorts of ways to score points, looks is one of them. But if you're confident, driven, motivated, dominant, intelligent, creative, or a whole raft of other traits, you can also score points that way. Your face is most probably your face. Get over it. Look at the musician Prince - he's like what, 5 foot 2 and gets girls like crazy. What if he had just sat around saying 'what's the point in doing anything, I'm 5'2 and girls will never like me'.

I agree with this. How often

I agree with this. How often to you see absolutely georgeous women with only average looking men? The reverse? I think girls in general are more attracted to your personality more than anything else. Once they fall for it, they WILL find you physically attractive.

Try not to worry too much

Try not to worry too much about your physical attractiveness. Women are not nearly as hung up about it as men are on women. Typically, women like men to dress reasonably well and look healthy (not look like a bum). They usually look for a confident demeanor (attitude) more so than physical characteristics.

I'm sure you've seen some guys around who weren't particularly handsome and had no trouble getting women's attention. Just look at Don Knotts (Barney fife) and Dudley Moore (a small guy), both these guys were considered ladies men. Even Bob Denver (Gilligan) managed to get married a few times and have a loving wife for like 26 years before he died.
Don Knotts Dudley Moore Bob Denver

Recently, I watched a show on TV where some scientists/ experts had done various studies on human courtship. Generally speaking, the qualities women look for most in a man are his social status and his resources. Basically, they're looking for a man who will have the ability (or potential ability) to help raise her future children. So, even though being handsome has its perks, many women would choose a short, fat, bald man who's rich over a hunky Brad Pitt-lookin' guy who has a menial paying job.
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NEW STUDY - just in time...................

I like your face -- but why? A new computer model pinpoints the reasons
April 20th, 2011 in Medicine & Health / Psychology & Psychiatry

(PhysOrg.com) -- Whether you're dating, job seeking, or running for office, an attractive face can get you far. But what makes a face attractive? Most studies have found we’re drawn to “average” faces, as well as those whose features fit conventionally with one gender or the other -- “masculinity” in men, “femininity” in women.

Except, that is, when we’re drawn to “feminine” male faces—or our reactions are mixed.

Psychologists Christopher P. Said of New York University and Alexander Todorov of Princeton University surmised that attractiveness is more complex than those two qualities. So they designed a computer model to tease out and measure the complexities. Their findings, published in an upcoming issue of Psychological Science, a journal of the Association for Psychological Science, help resolve the contradictions in earlier research and enrich our understanding of what draws people to each other.

For their study, Said and Todorov used a “face space,” a computerized map that treats facial features as “dimensions,” or axes, and faces as abstract points in the space. The face space allowed the researchers to test not just two factors, as previous studies had done, but 50 dimensions. They divided these into two categories—“shape,” such as nose size or plumpness of lips; and “reflectance,” or facial lightness, darkness, and color, such as shadowed eyes or red lips—to see how those qualities interact with averageness and gendered attractiveness.

The psychologists then created a computer program that took thousands of faces and their ratings, from 20 male and 20 female students rating opposite-gender faces, and learned to associate each facial dimension with attractiveness. It could also tell how far, and in which direction, a face had to move in relation to the average to become more attractive.

When Said and Todorov submitted computer-generated faces to the critical “eye” of the program, the results revealed newfound subtleties.

“In female faces, what males typically want is the shape to be feminine and the reflectance to be feminine,” said Said. He gave the examples of plump lips and wide eyes. “For male faces, women want the reflectance to be masculine”—swarthier skin, “but the shape to be feminine.”

In other words, masculine and feminine attractiveness are not equal and opposite. Each taste comprises many flavors, some of which are more piquant than others. “This paper helps sort out the uncertainty about whether masculinity is attractive or not in male faces,” noted Said. In fact, it is and it isn’t.

Even the attraction of “average” faces turned out to be less straightforward than previously found. Both men and women deemed average faces attractive, but the most average were not the most attractive.

The authors caution that the study has limitations. An artificial face isn’t the same as a real face. Also, raters differ, and their conclusions reflect only the opinions of a few dozen college students. So a computer program can pinpoint the attractiveness of an artificial face in theoretical space. But beauty is still in the eyes of the unique human beholder.

Provided by Association for Psychological Science

"I like your face -- but why? A new computer model pinpoints the reasons." April 20th, 2011. http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-04-_1.html

Faces

I find this funny: My mom is 70, I am 50, and my partner's daughters are teenagers. *All* of us are smitten with Steven Tyler now that he is a judge on American Idol. Is it his looks we suddenly love? No, he looks the same as he always has (rather feminine, I might add), but *now* we get to see his PERSONALITY. Which is adorable. And the best part about his personality?? You can tell he absolutely LOVES women. Everything about them. He oozes love for women.

And THAT is sexy, my friends!!!

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It might make you look

It might make you look slightly more masculine, I`m not sure. It probably will give you better skin and glow and radiance. THose are benefits I have noticed from abstaining. However, you don`t need to worry so much about looks or about looking masculine as what women are really attracted to is masculine behavior. The key part is developing confidence. Other aspects such as deceisiveness, direction, leadership, initiativ, assertiveness etc. can then spring from/be developed on top of that. Developing this can be done working with yourself psychologically but doing stuff like martial arts and lifting heavy weights (produces testosterone) can also help a lot. There are also specific qigong and meditation practices that will develop masculine energy. A lot of these comes from the internal martial arts traditions. Any sort of meditation or energy practice can do wonders for your self esteem, happiness, radiance etc. which are all attractive qualities, but there as I said there are specific practices that develop masculine energy. In most cases you can not, however just start doing one or two such practices. That will often lead to imbalances. In general one must do something which develops your energy overall and combine that with something that works on a more specific aspect like masculine or feminine energy.

What I would do is go to thetaobums.com and start a thread asking for advice on how to develop masculine energy while at the same time working on your overall physical and psychological health in a balanced way. There are a lot of people there that know a LOT about how to do that. I would also go read this thread: http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?/topic/17781-the-lower-chakras/
In it a guy describes his ongoing journey working with qigong to heal and balance himself. A lot of what he works on relates to male/female attraction and sexuality. You can see how fast he gets profound results. Notice also that specific breakthroughs relating to specific chakras and organs lead to increases in female interest. THe practices he uses, healing sounds, inner smile, standing meditation, are practices that are very suitable for a beginner and also damn effective for your purposes. If you add in a practice for cultivating male energy specifically and maybe start practicing a martial art and start lifting some weights then you have an awesome practice that will give you anything you want.

Consider also that the way you dress has a massive effect on how attracted women are to you. If you look like a 5 on a scale of 1-10 you will outcompete a 7 that does not dress well at all if you dress REALLY well. How to dress is age specific of course but asking women that work in cool cloting stores to help you out usually works well for people. Also female friends and men who have a great sense of style can be asked for advice. You can also do a lot of searching online to find out how to dress well.

There are also a lot of good material in the pickup artist community about how to attract women. The stuff work VERY well but it takes time to make it work. For some it takes a couple of years of practice and for some only a few days. It depends on where you start. I suggest you find something that focuses on so called natural and direct game not canned material. I also suggest that you focus a lot on so called inner game to develop yourself as a person. That is what will lead to the real transformation. Some sources I recommend are: these guys: http://theseducers.com/node especially 60yearschallenge. You can also read his blogg: http://howtogetwithagirl.com/blog/ I also highly recommend Wayne Elise aka Juggler: charismaarts.com. He has one of the nicest aproaches to picking up women and the skills he teaches you about conversing and connecting with people are highly apliable to any social interaction be it with an old lady or at work. I also think this guy is probably VERY good: http://www.jamessocialcoach.com/. THe blog marriedmansexlife only applies to long term realtionships but I think it is valuable to read because it has such a good take on balancing "alpha" and "beta" traits that I think it is a wort while read.

It might be a little over your head at this age and this point in your life but David Deidas the way of the superior man and all his otehr books are also excellent resources for a man wanting to learn ho to attract and KEEP women and ENJOY his life with them.

Also learning to dance helps a lot in attracting women. Some sort of hip hop/street dance, reggaeton and salsa are probably the styles most useful for you.

Men who are passionate about something, anything really, attract women. So does men who have drive and ambition. It does not have to be to be a CEO. Women are more attracted to the feel of a man with drive and ambition rather than the content of it. What are you passionate about? What could you potentially be passionate about? What do you want with your life? Women like men with direction.

Why not be yourself and not

Why not be yourself and not worry about style? Style, game, PUA tactics, etc. only matter if the objective is to sleep with women. I don't do have that primary objective. While I can see where the fears creep in, these games are not that difficult to master if that is what one really wants because the average women who goes to a bar or club is craving attention and escalation in her own right. I don't think PUA tactics would work on all women. What do the women out there say?

I think some PUA concepts are useful

I liked the Pick-Up Artist (PUA) book, The Mystery Method. I liked it because it presents a good understanding of why women act the way they do and helps men better understand what they want. I was an Average Frustrated Chump (AFC) because I never really understood what women wanted. I think I was even somewhat of a misogynist (hatred of women) because my efforts were usually rejected; Often confused by the dreaded mixed signals conundrum. Now that I understand their motives I don't feel that way anymore and I see where they're coming from (makes sense now). It's a good read and the strategies are with a respectful approach. I found it at my local library.

It gives good points on using body language, interpreting body language/ non-verbal cues, social fronts (concerns of reputation), suggestions on things to say or talk about, and knowing when to give up an approach and when not to (ie. playing hard to get). And, remember not all women are innocent angels. There are a few out there who know very well how to take advantage of men to get what they want too.

I'd say most women frown upon PUA advice because it makes their job harder to screen out the bad guys determining whether they're really charming or just manipulating.

Remember, "Ya gotta be interesting!" Women are attracted to interesting men. If you're boring... then you'll likely be among the AFC crowd.

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The full title strengthens

The full title strengthens what I said: The Mystery Method: How to Get Beautiful Women Into Bed. Of course, there is value in understanding that might motivate women. I don't think it motivates all women or for that matter any women I'd be interested in. It might be partially running in her subconscious, but not more than that. It's fun when I find real women that realize how silly the game is and will talk about it openly.

People send mixed signals because they have mixed feelings. As long as prospective partners are still speaking, ask each other. People don't want to hear the response they view as bad and so don't ask. Perhaps assume the answer is always the worst and then you can be pleasantly surprised. Or keep in mind that no man will vaporize from rejection. There are about 3.5 billion other females. No "one" needs any "one," but all need each other.

On an unrelated side note I was looking at an non-porn site that happened to have porn based ads. I only noticed after I saw a flash based ad running behind another browser window. Then I thought how silly and annoying that these ads are invading my life. Porn is everywhere it seems. They're going to have to much better than what they threw out there to even remotely entice me. I've noticed this in other mediums too. There is a much broader spectrum and mildly arousing isn't de-centering. Quiting PMO is probably the best thing any PUA manual could suggest. I nominate Marnia as the PUA queen. Except she's got the females back too.

I think game works on all

I think game works on all women. When I observe people flirting, dating hooking up, becoming a couple, I see the mechanisms of game clearly at work in all the interactions. I have talked to several women that laugh at the PUAs yet when I see men seducing them I see the stuff a PUA would do work excellent on them. Usually women actually don`t know much at all about what PUAs do. Almost no women read the manuals so they can not really comment can they. The middle aged, Ivy League educated, sexually conservative woman who runs the blog hookingupsmart actually did read the books and say they absolutely will work on all women.

Anyway, you can not use what women say about this as any sort of measure of truth. THe advice women give men about how to attract them does not work very well. The confusion a lot of men are suffering from about how to attract women stem precisely from the fact that women have been giving misleading advice on how to attract them for years, essentially advicing men to behave in ways that lead them straight into the friend zone. In order to understand what attracts women you have to look at what they actually RESPOND to not what they say they will respond to. Game was invented because men that could not attract women did not get anywhere following the dating advice given by women and so they started observing in real life the men who got a lot of women and started doing what they did. What actually worked was not very politically correct but it worked amazingly well.

WOmen also have two entirely different personas they present to the world and men especially. As long as they see you as a man with provider potential/a beta or a friend they put up a much more conservative facade. If she sees you as an alpha/lover type she will be much more open sexually and will readily admit many more things about her attraction patterns than she would to a man she puts in the provider/beta category.

Game matters in marriage too. An important reason why relationships fail is because men tend to stop doing the stuff that creates attraction when they are in a relationship. Check out the blog marriedmansexlife and google Dave from Hawai and pua and you can read the story of two men who after years of miserable marriage started gaming their wives with excellent results. THese women aren`t club sluts. The wife of the marriedmansexlife blog has only ever slept with him, has higher education and has a conservative christian background. Notice in the comments on the blog how many women their want their husbands to start game them or who have gotten their husbands to start to learn about game in order to improve their marriages.

On of the key mostly unknown aspects to relationships is the betaization process and womens testing/shit testing of their men. THe process and how to handle it in order to keep a woman very attracted in a long term relationship has been very well dealt with by PUAs. THis is essential advice you won`t get a from a relationship counselor. You can read about it her: http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2011/03/21/relationshipstrategies/why-we-s...
and here: http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2011/03/23/relationshipstrategies/mostly-m...

Clothing style does not only matter to get women into bed. I have heard a bunch of women that are no more superficial than the average woman complain about the way their husband dresses. It is common for women to try to influence their boyfriends to dress better. Dressing well is one of the many things that create attraction just like your physical looks, alpha male features, abillites in bed etc. TO verify this you could go to a womens forum and start a thread and ask if they care about how their boyfriends/husbands dress. I guarantee you many or most will admit to caring quite a lot. Sure, in a long term realitonship things like friendship are of prime importance but that does not remove the importance of many of the more superficial things that actually create sexual attraction.

Shit testing?

[quote=New Start]I think game works on all women. When I observe people flirting, dating hooking up, becoming a couple, I see the mechanisms of game clearly at work in all the interactions. I have talked to several women that laugh at the PUAs yet when I see men seducing them I see the stuff a PUA would do work excellent on them. Usually women actually don`t know much at all about what PUAs do. Almost no women read the manuals so they can not really comment can they. The middle aged, Ivy League educated, sexually conservative woman who runs the blog hookingupsmart actually did read the books and say they absolutely will work on all women.

Anyway, you can not use what women say about this as any sort of measure of truth. THe advice women give men about how to attract them does not work very well. The confusion a lot of men are suffering from about how to attract women stem precisely from the fact that women have been giving misleading advice on how to attract them for years, essentially advicing men to behave in ways that lead them straight into the friend zone. In order to understand what attracts women you have to look at what they actually RESPOND to not what they say they will respond to. Game was invented because men that could not attract women did not get anywhere following the dating advice given by women and so they started observing in real life the men who got a lot of women and started doing what they did. What actually worked was not very politically correct but it worked amazingly well.

WOmen also have two entirely different personas they present to the world and men especially. As long as they see you as a man with provider potential/a beta or a friend they put up a much more conservative facade. If she sees you as an alpha/lover type she will be much more open sexually and will readily admit many more things about her attraction patterns than she would to a man she puts in the provider/beta category.

Game matters in marriage too. An important reason why relationships fail is because men tend to stop doing the stuff that creates attraction when they are in a relationship. Check out the blog marriedmansexlife and google Dave from Hawai and pua and you can read the story of two men who after years of miserable marriage started gaming their wives with excellent results. THese women aren`t club sluts. The wife of the marriedmansexlife blog has only ever slept with him, has higher education and has a conservative christian background. Notice in the comments on the blog how many women their want their husbands to start game them or who have gotten their husbands to start to learn about game in order to improve their marriages.

On of the key mostly unknown aspects to relationships is the betaization process and womens testing/shit testing of their men. THe process and how to handle it in order to keep a woman very attracted in a long term relationship has been very well dealt with by PUAs. THis is essential advice you won`t get a from a relationship counselor. You can read about it her: http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2011/03/21/relationshipstrategies/why-we-s...
and here: http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2011/03/23/relationshipstrategies/mostly-m...

Clothing style does not only matter to get women into bed. I have heard a bunch of women that are no more superficial than the average woman complain about the way their husband dresses. It is common for women to try to influence their boyfriends to dress better. Dressing well is one of the many things that create attraction just like your physical looks, alpha male features, abillites in bed etc. TO verify this you could go to a womens forum and start a thread and ask if they care about how their boyfriends/husbands dress. I guarantee you many or most will admit to caring quite a lot. Sure, in a long term realitonship things like friendship are of prime importance but that does not remove the importance of many of the more superficial things that actually create sexual attraction.[/quote]

NewStart,
I;ve been shit tested by girls who are total bitches before. I have found that the more selfish, demanding and dumb the girl is, the more unreasonable the shit test is. Usually such girls do not know exactly what they are after - they are not after love, they are after just masculine attraction. THen if you pass their attraction shit tests, they complain that you don't love them because you never place them on top of priority.

I have met a girl who is a 10 on looks, very sexy, but probably only a 5 on intelligence, and a very selfish and self centered person. She likes to give guys lots of shit tests to label guys as "real men" or "fake men". And she expected guys to participate in her shit test and fulfill the test for her to determine if the guy is strong enough to do whatever it takes to win her, or to show how much the guy loves her. The one thing she doesn't understand was why I did not want to participate in her shit tests, because other than her looks, I could not stand being with a dumb and selfish and self-centered girl who only thinks about herself and doesn't care about other people. She had no heart nor brains.

In the end I chose a girl who was a 8 or 9 on looks, still very pretty but not as sexy as the 10, but this one is so loving, self-less, caring of others, intelligent, has sound reason, compassion and empathy. AND she never shit tested me other than just normal reasonable tests to find out how important she was in my heart, which were all common sense tests.

If masturbation controlled

If masturbation controlled things like jaw squareness or height, men would all be 7 foot all Glenn Quagmires. Or the other way around.

And the best players also get rejected the most. Most guys never try, you're doing better than 90% of guys when you just say something.